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As asteriamalfoy recently reported on the club wall, it appears that Moana will soon become the newest member of the Disney Princess lineup. The club's reception to the news is a mixed bag, which is the latest example of how the general Fanpop opinion (namely, this club's opinion) doesn't always match that of the internet. It's interesting why that is, and I will attempt to find the reason here.

Before going forward, be aware that everything that I consider an "opinion" of Fanpop and/or the internet is a generalization. True, there are some users on both this website and the rest of the worldwide web who are in their respective minorities. This is merely a breakdown of how I see it and my attempt to get to the root of the issue -- why is Moana beloved in some places, but not in others? Time to find out.

The Difference of Opinion
I find that on Youtube, Disney-related sites (such as "Oh My Disney"), and other sites (Buzzfeed and the like), Moana is a well-liked character. The common reasons people like her from what I've seen are:

• She's responsible; even though she wants to explore the ocean, she does what's right and chooses to lead her people. And she enjoys it, too!
• She's self-reliant; she doesn't need to be constantly saved, and she can save the day pretty much on her own.
• On a related note, she "doesn't need a man."
• On a separate related note, she's quick-thinking and resourceful, or what some people call "badass."
• She doesn't have the traditional look of a Disney Princess, i.e. no formal gown and different body type. This gives her a new and perhaps more realistic look.
• She renounces the princess name.



Then you check out the DP club on Fanpop, and you find that generally, Moana is not particularly loved, for reasons including:

• She has little to no flaws.
• She doesn't have much of a personality.
• She's just a mish-mash of the princesses who came before her -- nothing new.
• She renounces the princess name.

That's quite a contrast in opinion, and maybe a little surprising that a place dedicated to the DPs generally doesn't take too kindly to her. I think I've discovered why this contrast exists, though.

The Source of the Difference
Perhaps this contrast is because people that you find elsewhere on the internet have a different set of character traits/qualities that they value than the ones on this club. From what I understand, the general internet crowd values Disney Princesses and heroines who:

• Add something new to the lineup
• Are strong and can work independently
• Are determined and don't give up
• Are admirable

On this club, I think we have a different set of values for DPs. We like those who:

• Add something new to the lineup
• Are realistic and/or relatable
• Stand for something positive regarding princess-hood, femininity, etc. without feeling forced or too "in your face"
• Respect the DP franchise

Regarding the first bullet point -- I believe both sides like it when a princess/heroine adds something to the lineup, but it is seen in different ways. The internet seems to like how Moana invokes new positive qualities such as the desire and willingness to lead, which, let's be honest, hasn't been done with a DP before, at least not explicitly. I theorize that users on this club, including myself, consider all of the positive qualities of the character and how those stack up against the existing DPs, not just the new ones. For example, action-packed (Rapunzel), self-doubt (Pocahontas, Mulan), determined (Ariel), outspoken (Merida), and funny (Rapunzel, Anna) are all traits that we've seen in other princesses and heroines. The number of familiar traits can make the actual new traits seem like not enough.

However, I think the above argument is only a tiny part of why the Fanpop opinion is more critical. The remaining bullet points are key. As stated, Moana does show a desire and willingness to lead her people, which would fit the desired element of saying something positive about princess-hood (er, leader-hood, or how about just leadership). Is it in your face? I'm going to lean towards "no," but -- now I'm going to bring my own opinion into the mix -- it's one of the reasons I have difficulty latching onto her character. Despite Moana having this very positive quality going for her, she doesn't feel realistic to me. Her turn-around from wanting to sail the seas to being perfectly content staying and leading is just too sudden. With few flaws to balance it out, she comes across as a little too perfect to me. Perhaps this lack of realism and relatability is what others dislike, too.

It's often said that a strong character is one who works through their flaws; ergo, a strong female character is one who works through her flaws. Moana might have flaws, but maybe they don't get the focus they need to make us think, "Oh yeah, she overcame that flaw, achieved her goals, and learned something from this adventure." If that's the case, then the positive femininity thing doesn't really work. It's almost too positive, or impossibly positive. We need something more convincing if the takeaway is that a girl/lady/woman can achieve great things.



The biggest issue that Fanpoppers have with Moana comes from this line: "First off, I'm not a princess. I'm the daughter of the chief." This statement has not been well-received because for some, it implies that Moana is disrespecting the Disney Princess name. I shared that opinion too at one point. It may just be Disney poking fun at itself, but it can rub fans the wrong way. If this character who seemingly fits the DP mold can't appreciate the leading ladies who came before her...well, how the heck are we supposed to like her? Contrast this with the general internet's opinion, where people take it to mean that Moana doesn't have to be bogged down by the title of princess; one can be a strong character without having a royal title or other high status. Or, maybe people like it because it detaches her from the princess stereotype that they can't stand.

The more I think about it, the more I think that line is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it can be perceived as, "Oh yeah, you don't need to be a princess to save the day or to be someone important or worthwhile." On the other hand, one can perceive it as Moana being better than a princess, which can be taken as "Oh, you think you're better than the Disney Princesses, is that right?" or "Yeah, the princess title is just that -- a title. Not all heroines have to be princesses." Well, maybe there's a better message here. Instead of having your character say they're not a princess, why not embrace their princess-ness (or the equivalent -- daughter of a chief would be an equivalent), and then show us that said character is a good, strong character? You'd be broadening your own definition of princesses to mean any good-natured, strong-willed female, which is exactly what the DP franchise is trying to do now with their recent videos and slogan. Then, all of the princesses can be seen in a new and positive light.



Conclusions
Not to be too redundant, but I do believe that Moana's reception here versus on the rest of the internet boils down to what people want and like to see in Disney heroines, as well as how they interpret certain aspects of the character (or lines of dialogue, as discussed above). I think this is also the reason why fans can have such opposing views on other characters, like Ariel or Elsa. It can also be why some characters are sometimes seen favorably here, like the early princesses, but not much elsewhere. It all has to do with the specific set of traits we value. Moana's prospective introduction to the lineup brought this...for lack of a better term, "issue," to the spotlight, for me at least. Perhaps discussions like these will change some perceptions of characters for the better, even if just slightly, if people recognize the exact qualities that are being valued by other fans.
It's been 4 years since I last made a princess list and I feel that it needs an update. Unlike my earlier duration on fanpop where I could never keep my list constant, my list has stayed pretty much consistent over time since my original departure. It's difficult for me to make favorite princess lists, not because of being so negatively opinionated, but actually because I genuinely like all of the princesses.

11. Rapunzel
The Pisces
The Pisces

Rapunzel has a quality I find frustrating and regrettably common in modern heroines- she's endearingly quirky. It irks me because I think there is a societal...
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posted by KataraLover
Your movie's advertising LIED to us!
Your movie's advertising LIED to us!
First of all, this is an essay I had to do for my Advanced Composition class during the Spring semester, so this is a little bit more formal than how my articles usually are.

Disney and Pixar’s movie Brave is about a Scottish Princess named Merida that wants to be free of her arranged marriage and live her life without the responsibilities that come with being a princess. She and her mother, Queen Elinor, don’t see eye to eye because of Merida’s rebellious nature and Elinor preference of the traditional ways. When Merida fails to get her way she ends up buying a spell from a witch (Using...
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The prettiest DP ranking( including Anna and Elsa)

Excuse me for not giving detailed descriptions. I am an intuiter by MBTI and focusing on details is not my strengh. So I'll give my general impression.
I am not sure about all placements. I am sure about #13-8 and about my TOP-3 but not about the medium.
I own none of these images.

13. Snow White
The most nurturing of all? Sure. The fairest? Sorry, I don't think so.
The most nurturing of all? Sure. The fairest? Sorry, I don't think so.

Snow White is an only Disney princess whom I don't find beautiful. Her feautiful are too rounded to me and I don't like her hair.

12.Cinderella

Another princess whose looks...
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Who will win? Tangled vs. Frozen! Frozen frost or Tangled tracks?


It is going to be EPIC! So hold on your seats for the comparison of two blockbusters of Disney---TANGLED AND FROZEN. This is my first article, so I am a bit nervous but I hope you enjoy this beauty list!

While Frozen comes with great directors and has much consumerism, Tangled has amazing visuals, entertaining storyline, great music, wonderful characterization and nice places! Let’s Start!


VISUALS AND ANIMATION:
Back in 2010, Tangled was considered to be one of the most beautiful looking animated films ever created. The animators...
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posted by deedragongirl
Ready for your second Disco Party?
Ready for your second Disco Party?
Hi guys, now as you all know that I previously did for the Princesses' disco part featuring all of the Kpop songs. Only this time, I will do the English pop songs that we're all familiar with!

1) The Girls of Rock and Roll

Taken from the Chipmunks Adventure film, I can't get this song out of my head! The dance scene will be like America from West Side Story.

2) Everything's Gonna Be Alright

Also taken from Alvin and the Chipmunk meet the Wolfman, this song could the second choice after the first one!

3) Last Friday Night (TGIF) by Katy Perry

Another lovely song if their Disco Party was held on...
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Yes, THESE designs.
Yes, THESE designs.
When it comes to the DP lineup, fans have come to expect that the merchandise designs of our favorite characters aren't always going to match their looks in the movie. Sometimes you give the benefit of the doubt, because there may be some difficulty in translating to the new lineup art style, or changes may be done on purpose for marketing reasons. But other times, there is no exception. And for years we have dealt with some shameless representations of these heroines. Let it be said, though; some are fairly close to the source material. Today I'll be counting down which of the above character...
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Source: Mark Fitzpatrick
posted by Sparklefairy375
The Disney Princesses are usually have some beautiful and iconic dresses. In this article I would share my list of favorite Disney Princess wardrobes.
I don't include some undergarments, undone dress (ex: Ariel's sail outfit), and some that I don't count as an outfit like Ariel's mermaid attire.
Credit goes to link's article of link for ideas of rate each princess' dress.
Anyway, here's my list, started from least to most favorite :)

11. Tiana

Tiana has a lot of clothes out of all Princesses, but a lot of dresses doesn't make me like them. Most of her outfis consist of yellow and green, which were...
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posted by Sparklefairy375
My opinion about prettiest princess list are changed in times, so I want to share my most prettiest Disney Princess list in this article :)

11. Tiana



I didn't mean to say she's ugly, I just think Tiana is the most plain/average in terms of beauty department. She has nice eyes and those eyes are shining in some moments, but most of her other body features are plain and nothing special. Her hair is way too simple with some curls, she got too big nose and thick lip. Her skin was exotic enough as an African-American princess. Her dimples are fine, but at least it makes her...
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The only thing I still come on this club to do. Let's begin.

****Warnings:****
This can get kind of hard to read sometimes and we're sorry, but we're also lazy. And lots of language. Oops. We're pretty immature, sorry about that! I hope you enjoy!

11. Snow White

BelleOlive: WELLL I SAW SNOW WHITE BEING LAST FROM A MILE AWAY
LanaQueen: I knew Snow would place here. But she's a precious little snowflake so I feel bad..
LanaQueen: ....Except I also placed her last. Heh, heh...
darby: wow bringing out the italics someones mad
Hajirah: Oh, is that how we're doing it?
BelleOlive: I loved it that...
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Walt Disney Walt Disney Walt Disney
I want to meet Walt Walt Disney Walt Disney Walt Disney
I want to meet Walt Disney
I want to meet that guy
I want to meet Walt Disney
I want to meet him before I die

You say Snow I say white
You say Doc He’s all right
You say Scar I say kill him
Jafar was ever so mean
But I do like Iago

You say Mickey I say mouse
Donald Duck in the house
You say Buzz I say Woody
do believe in Peter Pan
Tinkerbell in Neverland

Cause all I wanna meet is
Walt Disney Walt Disney Walt Disney
I want to meet Walt, Walt Disney Walt Disney Walt Disney
I want to meet Walt Disney
I want to meet that...
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posted by WinterSpirit809
I actually got this idea from disnerdtobe, who got this idea from anukriti, and I actually want to do the same, since I have a lot of princesses I relate to. That being said, this will be very hard, but keep in mind, these are princesses I myself relate to. It is also set up a little differently than disnerdtobe's

Not Relatable



Making up a majority of this part of the list are Golden Era princesses. I think they were relatable to the girls in their time period which I think is why I personally don't relate to them. That isn't to say that there aren't people who relate to these princesses-...
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Source: http://www.facebook.com/DPrincessScans
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Well, I managed to be able to see the Broadway show of The Little Mermaid, something I’ve dreamed of experiencing since the moment I heard about the Broadway show years ago. Most of you know that Disney’s The Little Mermaid is both my favorite Disney movie and one of my favorite movies of ALL TIME, so this was MAJOR for me! I also was lucky enough to see the original Broadway show on youtube, starring Sierra Boggess as Ariel herself, that show was amazing with many great new songs, capturing the characters I loved so much while giving them a new spin, and clever writing.

However, the show...
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Disney love songs.
Disney love songs.
Hi guys, since I love traveling, I would like to write down some nice cities on which the Disney Princess and their respective princes will fall in love with since Valentine's Day is coming soon.

1. Manchester, England, UK

Snow White and Prince Ferdinand will definitely love this city, it is very country-oriented and Snow White will consider this as her second home!

2. Milan, Italy

Since France is a neighbour to Italy, Cinderella will carry her duties with Prince Kit by making her first official state visit there. They will definitely love this city even more than Paris.

3. Prague, Czech Republic...
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