So he'll learn that he can't just keep hiding things like that because they will come out and get him eventually.

I would like him to have some decency, if any, left in him...poor Belle. She actually trusted this man and then he betrayed her trust and lied to her. Horrible.

this would be the best

But eventually she'll forgive him. How many times did she forgave him? Too many.....

Exactly. He does not deserve this many chances. ^

Don't want my ship to sink lol, I don't think it will either haha

^^ Agreed

I never will understand why want everyone Rumple to change! He has an own personality - which is perhaps difficult to love, but Belle fell in love with the DARK ONE! And the Dark One gone through huge changes since he met with Belle, and this alteration must to be enough. The true love is when someone accept her beloved one with his flaws and don't want to change him. Forcing Rumple to change totally - isn't a fair wish.

Why does everyone want Gina to change and be punished? I guess it's the same thing. I can't speak for everyone but I don't necessarily want him to change I just want him to finally get caught in the wrong. It seems like he gets away with too much--whereas Gina keeps getting punished and screwed over. He just killed her sister and triggered the time-travel event which lead to Marian's revival. I guess my bias for Regina may effect my stance on him as I feel like it's his fault she's going to struggle again.

I don't want him to die or lose Belle for good. Nor do I want some crazy drastic change to his personality. I just want her to catch him in a lie (this one specifically) so he'll realize he can't just keep going behind his lover's back like that.
And so he'll have to deal with losing his lover again, as he made Gina. So yeah, little bit of bias on my behalf, but also some non-bias.

On that note, I hope that didn't come off as rude, just wanted to answer your question and explain my point of view.

@Elf-11 So you think it's okay for him to lie to her and deceive her, really? He should at least not lie and manipulate the woman he claims he loves. I don't care if he turns good or not, but I liked Zelena and I like Belle, it's not fair for her to be in a relationship where the man she loves lies to her. That's horrible. I want him to be caught out, not change. He's had 5098 chances from her to change.

I think that's gonna happen but eventually she's gonna forgive him.

^^No. It isn't okay, just you're too strict on him. Rumple revenge on someone who killed his son (the most important person in his life) and humiliated him for long time. Then he lied to his beloved girl - it really wasn't nice of him - just because didn't want to lose her too. I don't think it was so horrible.
Otherwise the truth will probably come out sooner or later and I'm afraid this time Belle will forgive not so easily than before. Or don't forgive at all.

But Zelena didn't kill Neal really when you think about it, and Neal would never have wanted Rumple to kill her, he would be disgusted by that.
But it's mainly the fact that he lied to the woman he said he loved whilst proposing to her. That's absolutely horrible. None of this is Belle's fault. Oh and I'm not too strict on him...sorry for defending a woman who has been lied to by the man she loves. I'm defending her not being strict on him. She shouldn't forgive him after all the chances he's had, or that she's gave him. That everyone has gave him really.

We all know she's going to find out and that there will be a lot of drama surrounding that. I honestly am not much of a Rumbelle fan, I mean YAY Rumple's happy but I kinda feel like Belle doesn't really deserve him. Yes, Rumple has done terrible things and I agree that him lying to her was messed up(and kind of unnecessary considering she tried to give him back the fake dagger). I mean, people say that Belle has given him too many chances. Chances to do what? To change who he is? I thought if you really love someone you wouldn't try to force them to change who they are. If they change on their own that's different, but Belle has been trying to change the very "beast" she first fell in love with. Rumple is one of the most complex characters in this series. Belle, and a lot of OUAT fans, expects too much out of Rumple when it comes to love. I mean look at this man's background; he never had a mother, his own father(Peter Pan) abandoned him by letting an evil shadow drag him away(which could have killed him for all he knew), leaving him to be raised by three random old spinsters. His wife who, before he was summoned to the ogre wars, supposedly loved him so much and acted so concerned for his well being, left him for a pirate(and basically said that she wished he had died) because he was a "coward" for not wanting to die horribly at the hands of vicious ogres and for wanting to live to see his son grow up. Cora, who he believed loved him, ripped out her own heart and left him for riches and glory. With all the messed up "love" he's been shown his entire life, what kind of love do you expect him to show others? He's tried not treating people as he was treated, like when it comes to his son-he tries not to be like his father, but at the end of the day, that's all he really ever knew. I mean, can't expect too much out of that. He's still learning about true love which he only found as an elder man. Besides...I can kind of understand not trusting Belle. I mean she has him spare Hook's life(don't get me wrong, I love hook) after he tried to kill her which lead to her getting shot and almost killed while losing her memories. And people can love you but not completely trust you. Don't believe me? Think of siblings. You love your siblings, but you don't trust them to do in your room without stealing something. Think of a husband and wife, they love each other, but maybe the husband is a terrible cook and the wife doesn't trust him to be able to handle cooking dinner while she's sick or something. Just some food for thought. Sorry I tend to ramble.

All I'm trying to say is that she deserves to know. She deserves to know the man she loves and that loves that her, betrayed her and lied to her. I feel like he doesn't deserve her.

@fireyrubes But it's mainly the fact that he lied to the woman he said he loved whilst proposing to her. That's how I feel too.

@eyri-emo We all know she's going to find out and that there will be a lot of drama surrounding that. I honestly am not much of a Rumbelle fan, I mean YAY Rumple's happy but I kinda feel like Belle doesn't really deserve him.

Once again, not saying any of this to be rude, so advanced apologies if it comes off that way. And I personally hope it does happen like that. He shouldn't be able to get away with half of the things he does with no drama at all. Belle doesn't deserve him? I feel like that's a little flipped. She's such a sweet and kind girl she deserves someone who is also sweet and kind, someone who will treat her like the precious girl she is.


Chances to do what? To change who he is? I thought if you really love someone you wouldn't try to force them to change who they are. If they change on their own that's different, but Belle has been trying to change the very "beast" she first fell in love with.

I'm nos saying he needs to change who he is entirely but there's certainly room for improvement...there always is for everyone. However in Rumple's case, some change may be good. And Belle isn't trying to change him just to do it, she's trying to change him so he can better himself. He even said that he wanted to become a better person for both Neal and Belle...but he's not putting any real effort forth. If I really loved someone and found out that they were murdering people behind my back in their free time, I would leave that person. Because that's just downright scary and I'd be afraid that I'm next. If said lover lied to me time and time again, I'd just leave because it's not worth it. Now if I didn't leave the person I would certainly try to break that lying habit. Now that's talking realistically.
However for the sake of the show I think it would be counter-productive to make a huge and apparent change. It would have to be done like how they did Regina so it's not something super insane and out of the blue that ruins his character.
And yes by all means, I do think Belle gave him too many chances to stop lying to her and to stop killing people behind her back.

Rumple is one of the most complex characters in this series. Belle, and a lot of OUAT fans, expects too much out of Rumple when it comes to love.

I can agree here, Rumple is a very complex character and it's his darkness and inner conflict that makes him so. I feel like the expectations from Belle aren't that high--she's just trying to help him become a better person. And honestly, looking a real life expectations 'I want a guy who isn't a murder' is a pretty low expectation as most men aren't murders. She just expects him to be a decent man and I think that's a fair request. Rumple isn't exactly the kind of person you bring home to daddy.

I mean look at this man's background; he never had a mother, his own father(Peter Pan) abandoned him by letting an evil shadow drag him away(which could have killed him for all he knew), leaving him to be raised by three random old spinsters.

I can also give him a bit of leeway here. It is very hard to love someone when you've never been showed the emotion. It is hard to show love properly when no one has shown you real love. Regina was in the very same situation. However because of Henry and Robin she learned to do it. And that's kind of what I had hoped Belle and Neal would be for Rumps. That is a bit hard with Neal dead.

Besides...I can kind of understand not trusting Belle. I mean she has him spare Hook's life(don't get me wrong, I love hook) after he tried to kill her which lead to her getting shot and almost killed while losing her memories.

Again, don't mean to sound rude here; but how does that make Belle untrustworthy? She's just trying to help him become a better person. And it is in her nature to help people even after they hurt her...that's the very foundation of Rumbelle. She never went behind Rump's back or lied to him. She saved Hook right in front of him and such. Rumps knew about that.

Just some food for thought. Sorry I tend to ramble.

It's alright, I love a good ramble...and some thought food. :P

Exactly! She is kind and sweet, he is not. He's the one that doesn't deserve her. And like Zanhar said that doesn't make her untrustworthy at all. She even said it was to make him a better man. I mean, the town doesn't need some man running around killing people with all that's going on...considering Cora was in town at the time. But Rumple fans will react like that...

I have a feeling Belle will find out Rumple killed Zelena when she told him not to and she'll be ticked off! Will she leave him? Don't know that yet.

This is what I wanted to happen but I didn't actually believe it would. That's why the end of season 3A is so brilliant for Belle imo. It was something her character needed.