Disney Princess Article: Does Belle have a job?

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posted by MadameLee

I was on youtube recently link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx1MmY1Bb50[/url][/url] (If you go down to the 60 replies). Someone thought Belle didn't have a job (and the triplets did) because she had enough 'free time to read and became delusional about life in 'poor provincial town' (not my words). The exactly wording of what the user said was "I'm wondering that Belle are doing then even those triplets have their own jobs and responsibilities. Maybe idleness made her delusional? That life can be found outside of her town? " I pointed out that in historical speaking in those times women were only suppose to be able to read cookbooks or have recipes committed to memories and not read fairytales or something. that could cause 'women to start getting ideas'.

Then I asked him what kind of a job that the triplets did (and said "lovely laddies" aka Les Miserables) . The guy replied they were getting water to either help take care of the animals or to transport it to their dad (if there is a dad for them) so he could do it. That the movie showed that even the triplets hd 'responsibilities' but Belle didn't.

I then said in my next comment that the only job I saw them 'doing' was fawn over the town's jock (aka Gaston) and they had what I consider to be jasel clothing (Jasmine+Ariel) kind of costumes (not the word I want but think of words that people associated with 'witch' (female dog), someone who sleeps around a lot, etc.)hence they were rich.

It's hard for me to explain the next bit. The guy said because of the way I interpreted the triplets that I view Belle as hardworking and that the triplets would probably be at the most, daughters of a rich merchant and since they're so spoiled that the family would have been hard-pressed to support the spoiled brats. So that means that the triplets probably did have a job.

At this point another guy mentioned that getting water wasn't a job and even if it was that the triplets were taking their own sweet time to do the job. Then asked why we were talking about the triplets.

The OP said that we assumed Belle was working because we saw her 'feed' the animals' and that she wasn't portrayed as a more dedicated worker then the triplets were. So that the conclusion was that we can't say that Belle was helping her father without also agreeing that the triplets would have to have responsibilities of their own and vice versa.

Then he got into the topic of the fact that he believes that Belle rejected a 'good' match (aka 'rich') in the hopes of something better. I pointed out to him that the issue here is that Gaston wouldn't allow any books in his house except cookbooks, and except her to be up from dusk to dawn cleaning,cooking and popping babies out (hopefully 7 sons). I can just imagine a couple of rules that Gaston puts down: "No books except cookbooks in my house", "You must only agree with my politics", "We can only have sons, no daughters" and "If we do have daughters they have to be illerate and only agree with me or their brothers' or husbands' politics."

RoseOfRapunzel, mimansa and 2 others like this

TheFabulousFAN Well...no offense but, you are not really speaking English also no Belle does not have a job...except maybe to feed those chickens and um....yeah

TigerRanma I don't think she had a job. You only see her do house chores. I don't think women had jobs back then. Even the Bimbettes were probably just doing chores in their area. Reading this was a little frustrating.

MadameLee Sorry. It's just I didn't know how to get the conversation across what was happening. Could you help me edit it?

prussiaducky Interesting views :) I can see where you are coming from, but I believe she couldnt have had a true job since she had to take care of her father by running the home for him. Tiger-Ranma- Yes, women did have jobs then. Watch "Les Mis", many had jobs in textiles and maid-work. Some even ran wine shops. FabFAN- do you understand what English is? She is using a language derived from germanic and latin roots, originating a few centuries after the fall of Rome. She is using the modern context of this language. It's the only language on this Earth of the Germanic/Latin combination that is widely used (I believe Flemish is under this combo but I cannot say). I can only understand three languages, beginning to understand a fourth, and she is clearly using one among my knowledge of language. I can't see afro-asatic writings within this article, so it must be English.

prussiaducky Don't be sorry, to be honest, you cannot understand FabFAN's English half the time on this website. She insults everyone openly for no real reason. You layed your points clearly and it was beautifully written, and I can totally see where you are coming from :)

TigerRanma Oh yeah, that's true. Aww, now I'm thinking about my Princess and the Pauper computer game. Well, my answer is still no. Belle didn't look like she had a job.

MadameLee I kind of fixed it so it could be more understandable (but I didn't know where to put puncation so if someone would be so kind?).

MadameLee @prussisaducky thanks I kind of added another comment on youtube pointing out why I thought the trplets were the town lovely laddies and I will see what the guys say tommorrow.

Tygers_Eye I actually got involved with that exact same line of responses to that OP in that video. My username is snarkbait1, and I learned to regret arguing with the pig in that scenario. It didn't accomplish anything and just annoyed the pig. First of all, that guy's an idiot that doesn't understand anything about the historical context except what supports his sexist worldview: that women couldn't do anything but serve their fathers and husbands because that's just the way it was. First of all, during that time period, most people didn't have "jobs" as we understand them today. They didn't all go out to work for some shop or corporation to earn a wage/salary and then spend it on junk they didn't need, which in turn gave junk-sellers money to pay their workers. Belle lives during the pre-Industrial Revolution Europe. During the late 18th century France, most people made money off the land. Most "peasants" were serfs, or farmers that rented and worked the land owned by nobles. They paid a large share of the crops and livestock in taxes and scrounged what little they had left. They also had some specialty jobs needed to run a society, like maids, servants, merchants, shopkeepers, butchers, bakers, blacksmiths, tailors, cobblers, etc. but those were not so common compared to the overall population of serfs and landowners, I guess... Anyway, the Youtube guy's an idiot. [b]During the song "Gaston," the triplets are clearly shown serving drinks in the tavern, so they're tavern wenches. They're probably getting water in the pump outside for the tavern cook to boil later. Far from just fetching water for their daddy.[/b] Anyway, the idea that all women just stayed inside and served their daddies before moving on to serve their husbands was the ideal, but not the reality. Many women didn't marry, couldn't marry, and/or actually did work outside the home. As we see, there are no less than five women (two stout older ones and the triplets) serving drinks at the tavern, and in the castle we see many female staff. Mrs. Potts, Babette, the Wardrobe, etc. Women could work as maids, housekeepers, nurses, wet nurses, cooks, serving women (waitresses), etc. They generally couldn't get more high-paying specialty jobs on their own though (butchers, bakers, blacksmiths, etc.) which is where getting married and sharing in their husbands' profession came in handy. If they were lucky, many unmarried women actually were supported by their brothers or male cousins after their fathers died. Older unmarried women could also take up little professions like midwives, "cunning folk" (or healers presumed to be witches), wet nurses if they had a child of their own, spinsters (or women who literally spun wool for a living), nuns if they lived in a Catholic country, etc. These jobs were not very lucrative though, so they were undesirable. Not impossible to live on, and thus unmarried women were not necessarily doomed, but not ideal either. Part of the point of having kids was to have someone to look after you in your old age.

Tygers_Eye But I digress. The point is most "peasants" didn't have "jobs" as we know it as their job was tending the land, growing/raising food from it, and making enough to a) pay their taxes, b) have enough left over to eat, and c) barter sell leftovers so they could get a more balanced diet. Belle and her father are shown having chickens and goats, so it's possible they rely on the eggs, milk and cheese (and occasional meat) those animals provide. They would probably also need to sell some of it to barter/buy other things like bread and vegetables (if they don't grow their own). [b]Farming and tending to livestock is actually very taxing and time-consuming. That's why "farmer" is considered a legitimate profession and not just a hobby.[/b] Which is why I told the guy in the comments' section that it's possible [b]Belle's job IS to look after the farm. We see her feeding the animals after she turns down Gaston. I also said at another point it's possible Belle only looks after the farm so her father can spend more time tinkering with his inventions, and thus realize his dream of being a world-famous inventor.[/b] If he had to look after the farm and house himself, he'd never have time to invent. I said it's possible the only reason Belle doesn't hop on the nearest wagon out of town and follow her dream of "adventure in the great wide somewhere" is to look after her father. That is, take care of the farm and house so he can follow his dream of inventing. The guy accused Belle of just sitting around relying on her father becoming "a world-famous inventor" instead of making the changes herself, but see above. I still that she just plans to run the farm while Maurice is alive and needs her, but she doesn't plan to do so forever. She works the farm despite finding it boring to support her father's dream, probably knowing her dad won't live forever, or at least will eventually make it so big as a famous inventor that he can hire a housekeeper and thus won't need her anymore, and thus is waiting to seek adventure once she no longer has someone to look after. So, by that logic, I think it's downright responsible of her not to tie herself down with a husband she doesn't love and/or doesn't share her ideals, or have children she would also have to stay at home to support for the rest of her life. Same-age spouses and children are more needy and live way longer than elderly fathers, after all.

MadameLee I view the entire town except maybe the bookeeper. As a highschool and the triplets are like the 'cheerleaders' and Gaston is the 'school's Jock'. Don't know about Belle or the bookkeeper.

MadameLee I made a new artilce on another page about if Gaston could be a lesser nobility. Since all the clues point to it.. http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/gaston/articles/258018/title/gaston-lesser-nobility

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Best Disney Princess sidekick countdown: places 21-30 - By AnimaIuco

posted by AnimaIuco

Here's the third article for the Best Disney Princess sidekick countdown. It covers the places from 21 to 30. Enjoy!

Places 41 to 50 link
Places 31 to 40 link

30. Sneezy

I was very surprised that Sneezy made to the TOP 30, and made it past Dopey. I like him, but it annoys me a little that the movie has to stop when he sneezes. Some people find him gross and not memorable at all.

"I don't like sneezes... ew." - heathersvan

"gross" - CockerSpaniels

"He's ridiculous" - BraBrief

29. Kahn

I was expecting that Kahn woudn't go very far after Samson left so early. Though Kahn is an awesome horse...

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sweetie-94's favorite DP singing voices part 2-Swedish voices

posted by sweetie-94

As promised here is my sixth article which is about the swedish voices of the disney princesses. I will post links to each of them singing so that you can decide your favorite. I will also write their swedish names (for a few of them) and let you decide which swedish name is your favorite and the one you think is the prettiest. Image credit goes to as usual Elemental-Aura (top image) and princesslullaby (bottom images). Compared to the english one, this one was thougher to decide where each of them where going to be placed because they all have wonderful voices.

10. Tiana (voiced by Pauline...

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sweetie-94's favorite DP singing voices part 1-English voices

posted by sweetie-94

Here is my fifth article! I decided to write two lists about my favorite singing voices, this list is the english voices, the next one will be with their swedish voices (same goes for their speaking voices which I will do after the singing voices) because swedish is my first language and I grew up with most of the swedish versions of the princesses (except for Tiana and Rapunzel). For the swedish version I will post links to videos so that you can choose a favorite aswell. Image credit goes to Elemental-Aura for the beautiful top image and princesslullaby for the rest of the pictures.

10. Pocahontas...

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Shannaro101's Favorite Disney Princesses

posted by Shannaro101

Well, I read other favorite princess articles and thought I should make my own. This is my first article. Feel free to express your opinions, but please don't leave mean, nasty comments.

10. Aurora

I don't hate her, and I don't necessarily dislike her personality. But Aurora barely does anything. She basically sang, danced, and cried. Her personality just wasn't that strong. The three fairies were more enjoyable. So Aurora did nothing to impress me in her whole 18 minutes.

9. Snow White

I found her to be a little more interesting than Aurora. Snow White seemed to have been focused...

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Pocahontas' Favorite Princess List

posted by princesslullaby

This article was written collectively by: Cromulanfav, DreamyGal, & Princesslullaby

To explain: This one is the toughest to write, by far. First of all, Pocahontas wouldn't care about the princesses, certainly not enough to make a list, and she wouldn’t be judgmental of any of them; she'd like them all and would probably be against making a list. Pocahontas really would be neutral to all of them. So it's not in her nature to make a list. But, it's just who we think she'd love the most, if she would. We believe at least to Pocahontas, the most important things are a princess following...

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Soundcheck: I am/ I want - Songs

posted by Swanpride

Well, without further ado, directly into the article. If you don't know what this is about, please read my previous Soundcheck article.

10. Sleeping Beauty: No long explanation needed, “I wonder” is simply too short to leave much of an impact. It’s a wonderful tune, but with a very basic text on it. Nevertheless, I seriously considered putting it slightly higher, because it fits Aurora's dreamy personality perfectly.

Fanpop says: Basically, boring. Also “It would have been better if it lasted a little bit longer, but it goes by really fast.” (founten). The voting for this category...

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Disney Princess Magazine Stories present Funny Bunny (Snow White Story)

posted by shaddi903

One day, Snow White was in the palace gardening planting roses. Suddenly, she noticed something small and white hiding in the bushes. When she looked closer, she realized it was a tiny frightened baby rabbit. "Don't worry, I'll look after you," said the princess as she picked up the little rabbit took it inside. Within a few minutes, the rabbit had begun to feel at home and started hopping around the palace. Just then, Snow White look down and noticed her wedding ring was missing. She rushed to find the ring and together they started looking for the ring. However, they soon found that the rabbit...

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Fanpop's Favorite Disney Princes 2011 SEPTEMBER

posted by princesslullaby

10.Prince Charming
Rank Last Round: 10
blah too little screentime blah

"I wish Charming had more screentime. That eye roll intrigues me. It means underneath that vacant, Ken-doll stare beats the heart of an intelligent (or at least, easily bored) human being" (phantomrose89)

High Rank (1-3):
sweetie-94 (3)
KataraLover (3)

Medium Rank (4-7):
PrueFever (4)
fhghu (5)
MrsEmmaPeel (5)
princesslullaby (7)
callejahLUVSed (7)

Low Rank (8-10):
Pink_Love (8)
flina (8)
tiffany88 (8)
mergirl13 (8)
PrincessSnow (8)
Ashley-Green (8)
haynay24 (9)
Mongoose09 (9)
SailorM91 (9)
Maja2601 (9)
phantomrose89 (9)
rougeslayer17 (9)...

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Fanpop's Favorite Disney Princesses 2011 SEPTEMBER

posted by princesslullaby

LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF CREDIT TO PPGBELLE4 & JONNASE FOR HELPING ME MAKE THE LISTS!

10.Princess Tiana
Rank Last Round: 9
Not too big of a drop since last round, and honestly not too much of a shock. Tiana's rankings seem to stay on an even plane whenever I do these countdowns, I don't think she's even made is past rank #8. The fact is, given the younger demographic on the site, Tiana is hard to relate her and I find her a bit one-note and dry.

High Ranking (1-3):
random_camo (2)
boolander25 (3)

Middle Ranking (4-7):
pretty_angel92 (5)
PrincessSnow (5)
tiffany88 (6)
mergirl13 (6)
alexon31...

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Fanpop's Disney Villains Dreamcast (Part 1)

posted by chesire

So a few days ago I created two articles about the Disney Princes and Princesses Dreamcast chosen by the Fanpop users.

Now in this article, I'm going to make one for the Disney Villains. :)

As of August 26, 2011, here's what the fans picked:

1. link
The fans picked: Sacha Baron Cohen

2. link
The fans picked: Michelle Pfeiffer

3. link
The fans picked: Uma Thurman

4. link
The fans picked: Shirley McLaine

5. link
The fans picked: Prince

These are all for now. I'll continue part two as soon as possible.

What do you think about these actors/actresses?

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John and Pocahontas: Found Again PART 9

posted by SarahCorine

“This is my love,” she angrily said. “No matter what you do, you cannot kill love.”

PREVIOUS PART
link

PART 9

    The wind furiously blew through the trees. The spirits became angered with the horrid sound of the gunshot. It happened so quickly and yet it seemed like time had stopped just so Pocahontas could get to where she is now. Her arm burned with pain as blood dripped from her arm. Her eyes were intense as she glared at John Rolfe.
    “This is my love,” she angrily said. “No matter what you do, you cannot kill love.”
    John Rolfe threw the gun to the ground, ashamed that the blood on Pocahontas was his...

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Untangled, A "Tangled" Oneshot.

posted by TotallyMe105

Warmth. It was the first feeling that Eugene Fitzherbert had
felt when re-entering the world. It was pleasant, yet oddly
uncomfortable, like it was healing a pain that he could already
no longer feel.

Soon after the warmth went away Eugene realized that
the petite brunette who was sitting in front of him had saved his life.
Saved him from the ultimate demise. Not from death, but a lifetime
as Flynn Rider.

Eugene felt that warmth now, but it wasn't the same. Sweat
dripped from his forehead and fell to the tile on the balcony
of the Corona royal palace. This was the summer sun causing him
the discomfort,...

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My top 10 DP songs

posted by bookprincess

Here are my favourite songs from each DP movie, enjoy!

10- Once Upon a Dream, Sleeping Beauty

This is the role model of the romantic song isn't it? I love Aurora's voice.

9-Heigh-Ho, Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs

Hands up, people who had never sang this song *Hands down*. It reminds me holidays with my little cousins, coming back from our games and singing loudly:"Heigh-ho, Heigh-ho, On rentre du boulot!!!"

8-So This is Love, Cinderella

Wich girl has never dreamt of finding her Prince Charming when she hears this song? Wich one has never danced with her pillow singing" C'est ça l'amour mmmmh, le grand...

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"Hero", A "Tangled" Oneshot.

posted by TotallyMe105

This is actually a continuation of a oneshot I wrote a few weeks ago called "Hereos and Theives" but this can also stand alone.

This is a story about Eugene's sister, Annabelle but don't worry Eugene is included!

A/N: So I decided to write on to this story. Also in this
story Eugene is 23(I know the writers say that he is 26
but I decide to ignore that.) Oh and Annabelle and Eugene
are 6 years apart.

"What's with all the commotion?" I whispered to myself
as I walked cautiously to the middle of the town square
in Corona. Gripping the fabric around my shoulders I
looked at the people around me curiously....

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Why people love Disney Princesses :)

posted by Cantwait4book5

I'm assuming that all the people on the spot are here because they love disney princesses as much as I do... But why do we love them so much?

Every single Disney Princess has a different personality, story and dream but they all share one thing (asides from beauty )... They are strong, brave, independent, empowering women.

Some people may disagree with me but honestly I don't cre because these are my thoughts and opinions and I want to share them.

In so many movies these days, the main character are the men. The women are side-line characters, letting the men rule the storyline. They have no real...

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"Heroes & Theives" A "Tangled" Oneshot

posted by TotallyMe105

A/N: This idea has been in my head since I saw the movie and I really just needed to type it all out and see where it went. This is the tale of how Eugene Fitzhebert really got his name!

"He rode off on his stead..." Eugene was suddenly cut off by giggling coming from a 6 year old brunette perched on his knee, her emerald eyes were closed as she brought her hands to her face to smother the laughter.

"What's so funny Annabelle?" He asked exasperated at his little sister. Eugene loved her but don't get me wrong sometimes she was just a little too much to handle.

Both of the children were currently...

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Review of Mulan the movie-part 1

posted by cromulanfav

So, this is probably the last thing I'm going to do for Mulan month : A review, or ,in another words, my praise to Mulan.

Here are some random thing I noticed while I was watching the movie for the 7th time this month.

I'm bad-ass

The movie starts with the brave Chinese soldier. He lights the fire, which is for some reason, very risky. Many people complain how in this movie, Chinese nation is obsessed with honor, pride and things like that, but I don't see nothing wrong about. It's a positive thing, they are portrayed nicely, better than being portrayed as violent, ignorant and with no...

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Comparing Disney girls to other movies: Ariel

posted by justinfangrrl

(evil stepmother from enchanted) yeah, there's NOTHING unkind or evil about this woman AT ALL. /sarcasm

aurthors note: I'm back with a new article! I just realized that on my last two articles that it has 2 fans! I didn't fan it myself, so whoever two fanned it, Thank you very much! I'm glad you like my writing. =)

Anyway, we're going to start with comparing Ariel to ECHANTED. I have watched it and it is VERY funny. The main character is Giselle, who is kind of all the Disney girls mixed. She has animal friends, cleans after people, and so on. Her prince is Edward, but instead HES the one with the evil stepmother. Apparently she's very kind to everyone. And It's a musical as you can imagine....

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My Disney princess countdown

posted by lovegypsy64

#9. Cinderella
Yep. Sorry,Cinderella fans. She's at the bottom of my countdown. I mean,it's not that I don't like her or anything. I love her. She's kind and beautiful like all the other princesses and her movie is great,too. It's just that it seems like she's the most typical princess and has the most typical story. I understand it's very well known but still,it seems to be told more than any other fairy tale. So,she's just not as exciting to me as the other princesses. But,hey,I'd choose her over Hannah Montana any day. ;)

#8. Aurora(Sleeping Beauty)
She's more beautiful than Cinderella...

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Dreamygal's Favorite Transformation

posted by DreamyGal

DreamyGal Productions

Ok, I'm bored at work and felt like writing something...I've done tons of articles, but never one about my favorite transformation scene, so here we go...

7. Evil Queen transforms into an old Hag

Mummy dust to make me old. To shroud my clothes, the black of night. To age my voice, an old hag's cackle. To whiten my hair, a scream of fright. A blast of wind to fan my hate. A thunderbolt to mix it well. Now begin thy magic spell.

This scared the living daylights out of me when I was a kid, but now, looking back, it's a really great scene. It shows her in her secret lab (which is creepy but...