I am disturbed by the fact that I used to be a very, in my mind, moderate liberal. This election has radicalized me in ways I am not quite comfortable with, but it's a radicalization that I think is necessary. I've been too accommodating of the feelings of people with privilege. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." -- Desmond Tutu
Posted over a year ago
Same. And well-put. I was at a science conference all weekend (composed of eminent scientists, researchers sharing their results – absolutely no mention of politics before this point) and the closing statement was thus: “I know you all may be worried by world events at the moment – anxious and scared about the future. But we must not lose sight of a better world. We must keep fighting the good fight. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”over a year ago
Hope Trump actually does deport 11 million people and raise prices on Chinese goods by 40% so Trump supporters learn some economics :)))
Posted over a year ago
When the economy inevitably tanks thanks to this mummified Cheeto dust, it's unfortunately not going to be the Trump fans who suffer. The ones who will feel the consequences are going to be poor POC, a majority of whom voted for Hillary. In the primaries, the average Trump fan made $72k a year. Most of his fans are privileged and uneducated middle class, a deadly mix that means none of this will affect them.over a year ago
For some perspective, my words on some internet forum pissed you off. Meanwhile, the rest of us pissed off because you voted a climate change denier into US Presidency and we’re thus going to bring a family into a more unstable, unequal, horrific world. Yeah who’s more infuriated here?over a year ago
I'd be screaming on here a lot more, but thinking about politics is legitimately ruining my holidays. Also I think I'm still in the first stage of grief: denial.
Posted over a year ago
Okay, woah. This is not the end of the USA. We have survived terrible presidents before. The actions of a few hateful people do not represent every Trump voter. We need to keep fanpop, and especially this spot, a friendly place. Attacking anyone who might disagree with you is not the way to bring about discussion or change. Chill.
Posted over a year ago
"The actions of a few hateful people do not represent every Trump voter." -> But Trump's whole political platform was based on hate? So by voting for him they are cosigning and saying that type of race-based hatred is okay. If you stand there and watch someone get murdered, you are just as guilty as the person doing the murdering. Same as with Trump voters. Even if they're not the ones committing hate crimes, they're espousing his hate rhetoric. No one who voted for him is innocent in this.over a year ago
So by that logic, voting for Clinton says that you're okay with rigging primaries, compromising national security, and eliminating anyone who crosses you.over a year ago
I know some very good people who voted for Trump. They had their reasons, just as Clinton voters had theirs. They would also bring up the Clinton body count and the organization's shady dealings, and argue that at least they didn't vote for a murderer.over a year ago
You're really going to bring up rigging when Trump was in negotiations with the Russians before getting elected and poisoned Megyn Kelly in an attempt to not get her to not moderate the debate? Both candidates are guilty of rigging. They're both trash in that regard. As for the rest of what you said, I agree with it. I take full responsibility and acknowledge that by voting for Clinton I was voting for a woman who has done very horrible and very shady things. The difference is that I have yet to see a single Trump supporter acknowledge that Trump is harmful and that his most militant fans need to stop their harassment of POC. Not a single one has discussed this. They're too busy letting their Confederate flags fly and shooting their guns off in joy. Yay for Amerikkka.over a year ago
Not only do people see things differently, they are shown different things. That's the thing about the internet - you don't have to settle for whatever news is on TV. If people followed conservative news, they saw more of Clinton's flaws. If they followed liberal news, they saw more of Trump's. So yes, I brought up rigging, because that's the first thing that comes to mind for a lot of anti-Hillary voters.over a year ago
Yes, there are Trump fans being assholes and doing terrible things to people who don't deserve it. But there are also Hillary fans rioting, destroying property, and spray-painting racist messages. There are extremists on both sides, and they are the ones to blame. Not the decent people who believed they were simply voting for the lesser evil. linkover a year ago
I certainly don't think all Trump supporters are bad people, and met many very nice ones as an election judge. However, I think it's a bit reductive to pull a #NotAllMen on them and start a #NotAllTrumpSupporters thing when the racism and Islamophobia of his campaign do need to be addressed. They voted for a man who is openly bigoted, and they need to own up to that. They need to admit that they value what imagined good he can do for the economy (or whatever other reason they voted for him) more than they do the human rights of women and minorities. That "Die Whites Die" vandalism is awful (I'm glad you linked it btw b/c I hadn't seen it before) but is reactionary. There's a difference. Hating someone for oppressing you is not the same thing as hating someone for existing and having a different skin color than you. Still awful, but I get it.over a year ago
If I may add my two cents, here... It's easy to say "we've had bad presidents before" when we don't think about who is really affecting. We've had conservatives and liberals, each with varying degrees of success & controversy, but none like Trump, and certainly not one who has threatened an entire group of people since Andrew Jackson and the Native Americans. Trump's policies may not directly affect the daily lives of many White citizens, but the daily lives of non-Whites are already affected. Millions of refugees and immigrants face an uncertain future because of this election, and their children are terrified. I know because I teach them. His election is having very real consequences for these people in an entirely unjust way, a way that Obama or even Bush's policies did not have. Bush may have sent soldiers to war, but they weren't drafted, and there were other factors at play. They weren't people who are just looking for a home, people who were often have nowhere else to go.over a year ago
To everyone cheering a Drumpf win: how does it feel to be so privileged? Hmm? Must be nice to not have parents who are going to lose healthcare once Obamacare is repealed. Must be nice to not have to live in constant fear for your safety because you're a certain skin color. Must be nice not have to worry about your basic human rights being taken away. Must be nice to be a sociopath with zero empathy for anyone who looks different than you :)
Posted over a year ago
Yeah, Obamacare probably isn't the answer. But SOMETHING has to be done about health care, y'know? And clearly Trump neither has a plan nor cares about the wellbeing of the 99% :/over a year ago
It's Remembrance Day in commonwealth nations and I'd like to remind people that's not just poppies and parades. It's about learning from history, respecting what they fought for, and endeavouring never again to make those mistakes. Yet look around- rampant nationalism, electing a bigoted authoritarian, advocating exclusion of entire ethno-religious groups. Are people so ignorant? We tried this out and it didn't work. Tolerance, egalitarianism, and universal human rights are what make us great.
Posted over a year ago
Someday America will have female presidents. But we should thank God every day that Hillary Clinton won't be the first. We really dodged a bullet on Tuesday.
Donald Trump hasn't been a reliable conservative all his life. I voted for him (I only vote Republican), but I've often had mixed feelings about him. But as the man who beat Crooked Hillary in the biggest presidential election upset since "Dewey Defeats Truman," he at least deserves a clean slate . . .
Posted over a year ago
Humor me here for a second. What do you, personally, think is wrong with America? Why does it need to be made "great again"? What was stopping it from being great in the first place? I've always thought America's best attribute was that it was diverse and inclusive. With Trump as president, it is certainly no longer a great nation. I'm embarrassed to be American with that child raping, KKK-endorsed bigot at the helm.over a year ago
Strong conservatives and strong liberals will disagree about what's "wrong" with America. For example, I see all of Obama's presidency as wrong because I am ideologically opposed to his accomplishments. I would love to see Trump legally undo everything Obama did, and for history to see Obama as nothing more than the answer to a trivia question.over a year ago
I'm embarrassed to be an American when people think that Trump, who held an "LGBTs for Trump" flag at a rally and who got more of the black and Hispanic vote than Romney in 2012, is no better than a Klansman or the next Hitler. I'm sure Trump owns sheets and hoods, but they are on his beds and on his limos. He is not going to do 99 percent of what people fear he will do, and the other 1 percent (building a wall, deporting criminals, etc.) is good policy that is about enforcing laws, not racism.over a year ago
Well, the whitelash against POC has already begun, with Muslims and black people and Latinos getting harassed and verbally attacked in public by whites. I would like to personally thank every Trumpzi on here who voted for him and set progress back 100 years, sent the message to young children that bullying is okay, told little girls they don't matter, helped the global economy tank, and are in favor of irrevocably ruining the environment. May you all rot.
Posted over a year ago
Listening to a livestream of Obama speaking. What a wonderfully intelligent and humble man. Just doing it off the cuff yet making managing to make every word meaningful and provide an inspiring, hopeful message to not lose hope in the future. An complete contrast to what we have coming. I hate to think how devastated he is that the things he has absolutely poured his life into will be potentially undone by someone like Trump.
Posted over a year ago
Let's be honest. The only winner is the Voyager space probe currently travelling at 62,137 km per hour away from Earth into interstellar space.over a year ago
Btw just learnt the other day that the cute little trade war he wants to start with China is going to be really, really bad for Australasian region :)))over a year ago
I supported Ted Cruz in the Republican primary. He would have made a great president, and hopefully will someday. I don't consider Donald Trump to be a real conservative, but he is the only viable option to stop Hillary Clinton. I submitted my absentee ballot with a vote for Trump on October 24.
Posted over a year ago
Someday America will elect its first female president, but voting for a woman just because she's a woman is ridiculous. And sexist. I hope instead that America's first female president will be a conservative, elected for her values and her vision, not her sex.over a year ago
When people end their comments with "HILLARY4PRISON!!!!", I pretty much assume they have an IQ below 70. I think it's fair enough.
Posted over a year ago
even now that wikileaks released Clintons emails and some suggest that she is involved in child trafficking? Or that the DNC has rigged the voting in clintons favor? that they send in people that they train to incite violence at trump ralies to make them seem even more violent? and completely sabotaged bernie's campaign? these are things we have evidence for. a LOT of evidece for. i mean how do you now suspect her of some criminal shit after all this? thats not even mentioing the fact that the clinton campaign says nothing about this, doesnt try to disprove these accusations or anything, just calls everyone russian hackers or trump supports and wants people to forget that it happened. i think its pretty reaonable to suspect her of some awful things at this point. im no trump supporter because hes awful too, but his awfulness doesnt make clinton an acceptable candidateover a year ago
also using ad hominems against people that disagree with you (in this case saying people that think hillary clinton should go to prison are literal retards) makes you look bad and makes your argument look unfounded and uninformed. like good job, you can make personal attacks against people, but can you argue the point you are trying to make?over a year ago
Friendly reminder that even if you hate every single presidential candidate and refuse to vote for any of them, you should still go out and vote for local office positions! Local politics matter!
Posted over a year ago
You're right that everyone who is qualified to vote, should vote. One minor correction to what you said though - You "have to vote for someone in each position" on the ballot - even if it's a write-in vote. If you don't, none of the other votes on your ballot will count. I already voted via absentee ballot. ;)over a year ago
????? Idk where you heard that but you can literally vote for only one thing on the ballot. There are plenty of people who only vote for president and nothing else and their vote still counts. And there are plenty of people who vote only for local positions/laws and not for president and their vote still counts. It makes me sad that misinformation like this exists.over a year ago
Trump fans: THE ELECTION IS RIGGED AGAINST TRUMP!!!
Everyone else: There's no evidence of that.
Trump fans: I JUST KNOW IT OKAY. I DON'T NEED EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE ISN'T NECESSARY.
Also Trump fans: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TRUMP SEXUALLY ASSAULTED MULTIPLE WOMEN. THEY'RE LYING. SHOW ME EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE IS NECESSARY.
Posted over a year ago
Sorry, Cinders. I didn't even watch it. I'm just so...exhausted. This election is mentally, physically, and emotionally draining and watching Trump being his usual vile self would've made me ill.over a year ago
Saying you'll jail your political opponent if you get office... Does this ring alarm bells for anyone? Throwback to authoritarianism and tinpot dictators, maybe? Nah man "leader of the free world" right there, lol.
Posted over a year ago
Legit though, countries where presidents are able to have their opponents jailed are called dictatorships. As if there wasn't already an astoundingly long list of reasons why Trump should never EVER be in office, this is a pretty good reason why.over a year ago
The next presidential debate is gonna be LIT. Hope a female audience member calls Trump out and asks "so what did you mean when you said you could 'do anything you want' to a woman?" 🙏
Posted over a year ago
It's like he had one of those Word-A-Day calendars and that was the word that day. "That word's yuge imma use it tonight i bet Hillary doesn't even have a Word-A-Day calendar SNIFF."over a year ago
Ah, yes, you're right. He doesn't have to eat immigrant garbage to appeal to the illegals who can't vote because he's not running for president like his BFF Donald.over a year ago
Lmao. Remember how some people did research into that and discovered that they don't even serve taco bowls at Trump Tower and he was lying about that? Like literally the dumbest thing to lie about, and yet...over a year ago
Clinton and Trump don't have equal footing in the debate tonight. Clinton must weigh every word carefully, not interrupt or talk over him too much lest she be seen as "pushy", not make any sort of gaffe as it will be broadcast far and wide. Meanwhile, there are such low expectations for Trump that if he manages to speak in vaguely coherent sentences and not deliver a misogynist insult to Clinton’s face, his advocates will declare that he looked “presidential” and anoint him the winner.
Posted over a year ago
Now he's arguing with the moderator for fact-checking him about the Iraq Invasion. He's blatantly lying, speaking complete fluff, straying off topic, and sometimes it’s hard to even know what he’s talking about. He’s worse than I actually anticipated.over a year ago
The fact that he so clearly lost this debate is now being blamed by social media supporters on a "biased" moderator. Anything to absolve Trump of the fact that he is so, so inept to run country. The lack of awareness in some people is astounding.over a year ago
Other than all the nuclear wars started and validated racism/hate crimes that would accompany a Trump presidency, one of the worst parts would be having to listen to that man talk. Might have to consider stabbing my ears out if he gets elected.over a year ago
^^I did, but in hindsight, we should have had a live debate forum, it would have been hella fun. ^Lol ikr he struggles to put together a coherent train of thought and it's so painful to watch.over a year ago
What was your favourite parts? I particularly loved when he stated tax avoidance was the “smart” thing to do. Or that taking advantage of the housing collapse, and thousands of people losing their homes, was “good business”. Or when he said something along the lines of "We can't protect NATO allies if they're not paying us properly”, as though he was some sort of mob boss. They were fun.over a year ago
Btw to conform to Trump’s alternate reality, the tweet of him saying that climate change is a “Chinese hoax” has now been deleted. Because he never said that, see? Clinton you goddamn liar, he never said that. You’re “wrong”, “wrong”, “wrong”.over a year ago
My fav fav fav part was him getting called out on his racism against black people and him just being like "WELL OTHER PEOPLE WERE RACIST TOO!" Didn't apologize or try to claim he's changed and not racist (lie), just scapegoated completely and shifted blame. A close second was his "I have a plan, I'm just not telling you the plan!!!11" nonsense. I felt like I was watching a toddler throwing a tantrum. I guess that's what it was, technically.over a year ago
Elections have consequences. If America had been smart enough to elect Mitt Romney in 2012, not only would we be rid of Obama sooner but Romney would be running for re-election right now instead of this Trump vs. Clinton race. If you voted for Obama in 2012, you own a share of the blame for the choices we have in 2016.
Posted over a year ago
No. All you Republicans who voted for him in the primary deserve FULL RESPONSIBILITY for this trash. Don't try to pin this shit on all us innocent people.over a year ago