i cant believe that

just found out. but it explains a lot

just found out but it seems so obvious now

never crossed my mind.

Wait, what? Where did you find this out?!?!

I had never even thought of it...I just found out, and I'm still a bit baffled by it all....

No omg I just found out about it. I mean it wasn't like he ever was with anyone, so it's not like we could ever truly tell. Good for Dumbledore I guess.

I did see some Dumbledore/Grindelwald subtext, but I NEVER thought we would have a canonically gay character.

The only appropriate reaction from me is OMGYAY.

Well first of all I'd like to say, don't make a pick if the one under it is exactly the same. *Eye roll*

Anyway, there's no way anybody could really *know*, but now that it has been revealed I can totally see it. It's absolutely perfect and gives so much more depth into the whole Dumbledore/Grindelwald thing.

it just ruined the books for me. im so pissed off

i hate f----s

Excuse me, please don't use slurs like that on Fanpop.

Excuse me iLuVBETTy, Dumbldore is still the same person anyway. Watch what you say about Dumbledore or I might have to crucio your behind.

He was in love with grindewald

oooooh im so scared. i hate f----s

I hate bigots. So I guess we're even.

And I reported you!

Just found out.

Yeah lets wait till after the books are done to announce that .....what an idiot

who cares regardless dumbledore will remain in my mind the noble man he was before this fact became known to me because i honestly dont get why it should matter its not like gay people hurt anyone or ask anything of use except to coexist with everyone in society therefore i will be a HP-addict for the rest of my life

I think it was a brilliant move on Rowling's part.

As far as Ron (iLuVBETTy) goes, well, he's only 13. We can only hope that time opens his eyes....

to what. i dont like f--- thats my opinion

So, you have already decided you hate 5-10% of the worlds population? Think about it. Assuming you know more than 10 people, there have to be some 'fags' in your surroundings. Would you hate your best friend as soon as he (or she) came out of the closet?
Great job on making these unthoughtful comments. It's called 'prejudice' for a reason: you're judging people before you know them. For some people being gay is a big part of their identity, but for a lot of people it isn't: they're just people who fall in love with people of their own gender, and they can't help it. Love is beautiful, and you CAN'T change who people fall in love with, so hating that is kind of useless.

And I know the best way to deal with unenlightened people like you is just ignoring them, but I can't help myself.
You're probably just set on shocking people and getting reactions out of them: congratulations, you've reached your goal. Now let's see if you can handle responding to intelligent comments.

How do you all no this? i am completey stunned did not see that one coming!

If people wanna be gay thats their problem but then they come and try to make everyone else the same way. face it, its a SICKNESS. i dont thinks its right but im not gonna tell people how to live i just want them to keep it in their own bedroom. and leave me alone already. for christs sake i thought this was supposed to be a debate not 60 against 1.

Iluvbetty, it's one thing to be against gays but's it's another thing to flat out insult and bash them. If don't have something nice to say than don't say it at all.

It's not a sickness. Do you call a preferences for blondes or brunettes a sickness? Your preference for the way someone looks is so deeply ingrained within your DNA, as is being gay. It's not a sickness, because you can't 'spread' it.
I can get into intelligent debates with my friends about how I believe there's a little bit bisexuality in everyone, and I can open another friend's eyes to her bisexuality, but I can't MAKE people gay, just the same as you can't make other people straight.

And why should we keep it in our own bedroom? We have as much right to be holding hands or kissing in public as straight people have.
Besides, if you want to repress sexuality think about the victiorian society you're bound to get.

And, most of all, like I said already: people don't CHOOSE to be gay. It's not as if we wake up one day and say 'well, today I'm not liking guys/girls anymore'.
You're born with it or you're not, and we're a part of society, and we don't want to just keep it in the bedroom. We're not harming anyone with our sexual preferences, and you want us repressed?

The interesting thing is that whenever I debate with someone on an issue I'm passionate about (like gay rights (completely pro) and religion (completely contra)) I spend time picking apart their arguments and counter every point of theirs and people don't even TRY to convince me? That makes it really hard for me to keep on debating seriously, and to take their stance seriously.
Right now you're only convincing me more of the idiocy of homophobic people.

Brilliantly put Lunaste.

Thanks.

It just really hits me on a personal level. In my country and in my circle of friends people are so accepting and tolerant, for the most part (although my country is becoming somewhat less tolerant at the moment) and I just can't imagine that homosexuality is still forbidden in some countries, and that the lives of some people can still be ruined by bigots...
Here in the Netherlands the fight is already mostly fought, but gay rights is still the issue I'm most passionate about.

But unless someone else has to add something homophobic I think I should stop ranting about gay rights, before I scare potential ontopic posters away with my passions.

leave me alone already. i dont like gays, thats my opinion, do it in your own bedroom. and its a MENTAL SICKNESS! I'm not trying to convinvce you to do anything just stop advertising gayness, Im gonna report you cause i've had just about enough. you wanna talk intelligently, thats fine, but stop getting a whole army on me.
and there's not a bit of bisexuality in everyone so before you go around saying what everyone thinks get more facts. so what if im homophobic, ever hear of FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Like i said, you wanna have an intelligent debate, thats fine but stop getting everyone to gang up on me.

and a prefference for blondes and brunettes is completely different so i have no idea how you are trying to compare the gays to hair color. And excuse but ganging up on one person on a comments page isnt intelligent so you could stop bragging about how smart you are.

no he is not because for who ever wrote this questions info i my self know everything about harry potter and all of the movies characters AND PLUS I HAVE READ BOOKS I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,AND VIII
WHICH MEANS THAT I HAVE READ ALL OF THE HP BOOKS SO YOU NEED TO LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HP BOOKS,MOVIES, AND CHARACTERS BEFORE YOU GO AROUND SAYIN THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what the heck are you talking about. maybe you should get your facts straight before you accuse all of us. If you're such a big fan then you should know. J.K Rowling announced it at Carneigie Hall on Friday dummy. So excuse you.

and you obviously don't know that much

Lunaste is my new hero ;)

She's not ganging up on you. It just so happens that you're in the minority.

It's true that a lot of her argument is based on opinion, however-- SO IS YOURS. So I wouldn't go questioning her facts, unless you want to be the pot calling the kettle black. Besides, it's been my experience that everything she's said is right-- my EXPERIENCE. Because as a bisexual myself, and having known so many heterosexual and homosexual friends, I've seen relationships from both ends of the spectrum. If you're against homosexuality, that's not the topic at hand. The word you used is a derogatory slur, just like any racial slur, and I'm sure you wouldn't call a black person the N-word, now would you? Stop complaining about people ganging up on you, and stop calling everyone names, it's far from classy. If you want to debate-- and I mean REALLY debate-- this topic has been discussed at length over at the link. But I have one request-- if you indeed decide to post there, please leave your hate at the door and use logical arguments like those who have already posted. Make logical arguments for WHY you disagree with it, and don't dismiss others so easily. I've read (and listened to) MajorDork's comments on why it is Biblically immoral, and though we still disagree on the subject, we understand each other more. I can't believe I'm saying this, but take a page from his book and learn to debate sensibly, without insulting people or using ignorance to promote your own bias.

And for the record, Lunaste is obviously more articulate than you. I won't mention what this says about intelligence.

No shes not. And i'm not on the christian side. i just dont like gays. And please dont talk about prejudice because i've been dealing with it my whole life because i'm jewish so please dont lecture me on the subject. and how can u call a girl smart when she compares hair color to sexual orientation.

The comparison was perfectly valid.

I never said you were "on the Christian side." That was HIS argument. And I told you, the issue at hand is that you used a derogatory term against a group of people-- that IS prejudice. I guess if you've been dealing with it your whole life, it only proves my theory that hate begets hate.

I agree with Doctor D, the comparison was definitely valid. I dare you to debunk it. What's the difference? It's a matter of preference, and it's a matter of love. If you're against that, that's another argument entirely, but I'm still arguing about the fact that you used a bigoted slur against a group of people you know nothing about. I'm afraid that IS prejudice, whether you want me to point that out and expose you as a bigot or not.

Can you like stop typing bigot and use something else cause its kinda annoying. the comparison was completely invalid on so many levels. sexual orientation has a bsolutley nothing to do with hair color. y do they have to try to make everyone around them gay. im not telling people how to live i just want them to keep it in their own bedroom. but you know what, dont listen to, maybe you'll listen to me about how gays should stop advertising after one gets killed in a rally by some angry dude.

iLuVEBETTY.... If your sister, brother or best friend was gay wold you love them less? If your answer is yes, you really are a homofobic! And you keep claiming its a sickness, a mental sickness in fact.. What about people with down syndrom, do yo dislike them as much as gays? If beeing gay a sickness (as YOU say) they cant help it.. Humans have NO control over who they are attracted to.

sorry, i know you keep saying back off and that people should be able to mean what they want.. But what where you thinking beginning to comment such an important subjekt without wanting starting a debate! And as for your "I can think what I want", its true. BUT people should be able to have the same rights! And we should be able to accept all sorts of different people!

Dumbeldore is dumbledore, brilliant, no matter what! I think its great se made him gay.. Hopefully all people will exept both gay and bisexuall in the future!

thank you for actually saying something intelligent and showing you point of view instead of attacking right away. maybe lunaste and cinders should learn from you.

Your definition of "attack" intrigues me, mostly because we're just stating our points of view, just as you are. Espcecially since you started the argument with a derogatory slur, which is an attack if I've ever seen one. I've said from the start that I'm not arguing against your views on homosexuality, I'm arguing about how you use offensive terms to express those views. I know plenty of people who don't like gays, but at least they treat them like the human beings they are and respect them.

My argument has always been about your rude language. Nothing more.

(I missed out on a lot, I see!)

iLuVBETTy, it was not meant as a real attack.

I have to say that I don't agree with your views on gay people, since by using that slur you've insulted me personally.
I also have to admit that my debating can get a bit out of hand, meaning that I really want people to see things from my point-of-view.

You keep hammering on my comparison of hair color, but it was just an illustration. I don't think a preference for blondes or brunettes is the same as being gay, but I was trying to say that that's something you can't help falling for.

Being gay is not a mental disorder: it was removed from that list almost a century ago (if I have my historical facts right).
It's the same as heterosexual love, just in different bodies and with different issues with society.
It's not sick: it's two consenting adults (or teenagers) who are (usually, there are ofcourse exceptions) fully aware of what they're doing. It's not like pedophelia or bestiality where one party can not make rational choices.

Anway, I myself am fully aware that I can never make you see what I mean with all this. I can only hope that time and education make you more accepting.

(one thing though: if you're so against gays, and they ruin series for you... then why do you watch Ugly Betty? Assuming from your nickname it's probably one of your favorite series as well. Do you close your eyes whenever Marc and Justin are on screen or something? It just stood out to me)

Found out a few days a go..big shock...o.o but makes sense...still love him <3

i found out few days ago so but it is out there

now I do. lol.

jk. I found out a few days ago.

i think making Dumbledore homosexual was an act of brilliance. and it makes the story that much more interesting and makes more sense on so many levels.

as to the debate. people should always keep an open mind about sexual orientation and other debatable subjects. at one point in time, "white" people were racist towards "blacks" but, now that we look back on it, it seems utterly stupid and unforgivable. look at how we are considering being homosexual in the same light.

now, that sexual orientation is another subject to be debated thoroughly there are a lot of individuals who look down upon it which makes being homosexual "wrong". it would be very funny if in the future our children or our children's children laugh at us at how we were so stupid and ignorant because we thought that being homosexual is "wrong", just as how we thought racism is wrong.

so please, consider others before you state your opinion on a negative basis. there will always be those who will "attack" you because they have a totally different point of view on the subject. and just becasue you think about it in a certain way, doesn't mean other people have to as well. homosexuality can be compared to other subjects like "hair colour". to be honest, i dont think what the person meant was particularly hair colour but, the way people prefer people themselves as brunettes or blondes (if that makes any sense).

and i agree that being gay is not a mental disorder. is loving someone a mental disorder? i really don't think so. loving someone that isnt the opposite sex doesnt automatically mean you have a mental disorder. you were made this way. and its funny how religion can have a part in this. i dont mean to bash christians (i WAS christian but, not anymore because i dont share the same views) or those who believe in God but, if humans were really made in the image of God.. how come there are homosexuals? how come we are stupid? how come a lot of us are ignorant and completely narrow-minded? it goes to show you that everything cannot be solved with being of a certain religion. and if God loves all of us equally, then homosexuals are also loved equally. so i suggest that no one makes further points or debates on homosexuality AND religion in the same debate.

debating is well enough but, dont think that other people do not have points of view either. if you say something negative about something, you must be ready to be proved wrong or vice versa.

hell yah i think its dope... im down for gay marrige (im not gay) but i think its cool... love is love right!!

Chaeunji-- it says in the image of God, not the mind-set or tendencies of God.

Wow Iv'e just come across this debate and I must say that you all have some very vallid points but face it iLuVBETTy you are obviosly a bigot and a homophobic. I don't want anyone to feel that they are being ganged up on but if you have had to face with prejudice all your life because you are Jewish then maybe you should understand how someone must feel when you discriminate against them bacause they are gay. Also you really are a hypocrite saying that people are attacking you when you have just made a verbal attack at gay people. If your bestfriend turned out to be gay would you hate them? If you would that makes you a dispicable person. As for what you said about it being a mental sickness that is utterly wrong because there is nothing sick about being gay. You talk about freedom of speech well what about FREEDOM OF CHOICE! And how can you say that gay's are trying to make everyone around them the same.

By the way my dad just told me about people on forums called trolls who go onto forums just to start an argument and waste people's time.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL

you're the troll. lunaste, sorry i used a derrogatory slur, i was out of line, but i still stand on my opinion. and yes you're right ugly betty is my favorite show. i dont look at justin as being gay. even though marc is gay, for some reason i dont have a huge problem with that. i dont know im weird like that. but i dont think justin is gay.

This debate has been on going for a whole week. i didn't know i would cause so much turmoil by using that term. Here I see some jack*** calling me a troll. Then some lesbian (i'm not saying it offensivley) writes an essay long response on waht a bigot I am. Then a bisexual girl calls me a Christian who is religious. Seriously, if I knew this would be going on for weeks I propably wouldt've posted anything. So here is my apology to those who I have offended on this forum. But I can't really say sorry to the jack*** who called me a troll. I don't know why i have such a problem with gays. To tell the truth in the past week we have been debating I satrted to queestion my sexual orientation. Now I don't know if I'm gay or straight. But like I said I'm sorry to everyone but Emeraldtears. I'm just really freaking out if I'm gay or staright. Sorry.

Apology accepted.
You have to be really careful with commenting on the internet since sometimes you can forget that on the other side of that internet connection can be an actual person, who has feelings that can be hurt.

I don't know what to make of your last two comments, but I do think you're entitled to your own opinion and I can't do anything about that.
And don't worry too much about your orientation: I believe that sexuality is fluid and that it can fluctuate, especially if you see yourself as bisexual (I don't know if you meant me, but I'm not a lesbian ;) ).

(my gaydar goes off whenever Justin is onscreen, but that's a different discussion entirely)

you said you were gay

I'm sorry if I offended you iLuVBETTy but I was not directly calling you a troll I was reffering to the fact that people were coming on this post just to argue. And by the way it doesn't actually mean troll it stands for something. I just wanted you to see how pointless it was to keep arguing. I'm sorry that you thought I was calling you a troll and I just wan't you to know that it really hurt me for someone who doesn't even know me to call me a jack***.

And by the way I'm sorry if I offended you by calling youa bigot and all that it's just that i've been questioning my own sexual orientation recently and it really touches a nerve when someone says something horrible about gay people. I was also in a bad mood earlier so that didn't help.

I was shocked when I found out. His sexuality never crossed my mind so when I read J.K. outing him I was pretty surprised. I'm sure that upon hearing this news there is now more ammo for Christians to argue that the HP books are not appropriate for children to read. I for one am a Christian but I see no problem with reading these books. I love them and so what if Dumbledore's gay? She never even mentioned it until the series was done.

I personally enjoyed the series so much when i read it. I feel sorry for anyone who lets insignificant facts stop them from indulging in the same satisfaction i got from them.

Im sure dumbledore would have recovered if someone called him that ;) After all, he was a great character and probably would have been above letting such ignorances bother him, ya?

get over it. its over.

and emeraldtears, sorry i called you a jack***

Thanks iLuVBETTy

I think it really makes no difference either way. If people are against gays, that's their point of view. But there are still going to be gay people around and so now there is someone in Harry Potter to represent that. It's more realistic that way.

Besides, even people who are against gay behaviour, Dumbledore wasn't in a sexual relationship. He just happened to have gay feelings. That's different.

*Sigh.* I never said you were Christian, I brought up a friend who held those views as an example to show that this topic can be debated rationally (and has been debated rationally over at the Debate Spot, not that I'm advertising)!

But apology accepted. As my only quarell with you was your language, I am completely appeased and have no more qualms with you whatsoever. Salaam alekhum, or may peace be with you! I wish you well.

I think that being gay is fine, but the point of a debate is not to call each other names like bigot. So just keep to the subject and debate like adults.

everyone has a right to their opinion and you can't attack them for that.

I always suspected it.

I dont believe hes gay....can someone plz leave a message on my profile, showing me where i can see some proof....i just cant beileve it till i see it....and are you talking about in the book, or the actor?

I was shocked when I found out...

Don't mind if Dumbledore is or not gay :)

I was a bit surprised when I found out but I think it's great that he's gay. It gives another layer to the equality in Harry Potter, and equality is always a good thing.

Dumbledore/Grindelwald =D I love gay people, they're so cool.

OMG!!!!!! He is!!!!!

Leonardo Davinci was gay and he's one of the greatest personalities of all times. In fact, I heard that most geniuses (scientists, writers, rulers) were presumpted to be gay. From statistics, gay people are usually more intelligent than straight people.

It's refreshing to see an link who is gay.

^ agreed I liked it.