Maybe she had a sunstroke from when her dad exposed her to the sun? I love Caroline. She's awesome most of the time. But this crap about Damon could never change? He already has, because of Elena, you freaking dumbass.

to quoet car "bad boy glory" well this "bad boy" yet again saved ur BFF and "saint" stefan as according to car (and jere,tyler,matt,bonnie and even rick now) almost killed her and she was almost kiddnepped by klaus.

i would to see car say anything bad about damon after this (i know she will)

and coming from her about "damon could never change" is just A BIG JOKE conssdring she changed 180 from the first season

Ummm... let's not forget that Caroline has EVERY reason to think of Damon as a "bad person" because, I don't know if you remember, he abused her. And in the show's timeline it wasn't long ago.

This fandom gives me a headache.

He raped her (more than once), manipulated, used and abused her less than a year ago, when she was what? A 16/17 year old girl. That is freaking traumatising. He tried to MURDER her on more then one occasion, so from what I can see, she has every right to not see him as a good person. And she was only proven right later in the episode when he attempted to kill her father.

"to quoet car "bad boy glory" well this "bad boy" yet again saved ur BFF and "saint" stefan as according to car (and jere,tyler,matt,bonnie and even rick now) almost killed her and she was almost kiddnepped by klaus."

You "accidentally" left out that Stefan was COMPELLED to attack Elena. I'm sure it slipped your mind and you didn't conveniently leave it out because it didn't serve (in fact it directly opposed) your agenda.

Stefan has saved Elena's life numerous times, as has Damon. Stefan has saved Caroline's life (many times) as has Damon. Stefan has saved many peoples lives, as has Damon. But Stefan hasn't attempted or made the conscience to directly kill Caroline or Bonnie something Damon has. So of course Caroline isn't going to see Damon has the best thing that hit the planet. And of course she is going to prefer Stefan (someone who happens to be one of her closest friends) to Damon.

He DID NOT rape her u freak, he drunk her blpod and made her forget what he was but he NEVER raped her,yes he played with her mind but she wanted to have sex with him he NEVER forced himself on her

and as for Stefan being under complletion it's NO excuse he has to take responsibility for his actions

and he didn't try to kill her dad he just wanted to scar him which he did

Oh my gosh. Do you understand what rape is? Rape by its very definition is nonconsensual sex. Him brainwashing her into sleeping with him counts as rape. Same with what he did to Andie. Their choice was taken away from them the moment he manipulated their emotions, decisions and actions. So yes, actually that does count as rape, giving her plenty of reason to not see him as a good person.

and as for Stefan being under complletion it's NO excuse he has to take responsibility for his actions

This has to be a joke. Stefan being COMPELLED to feed on his ex girlfriend, something he has absolutely no control over, something he was literally forced to do is solely his fault? Compulsion, the very cause to how this happened, isn't valid enough for an excuse? It isn't Klaus's fault? No. It is definitely Stefan's because I am sure he fed on Elena because he was bored and not because he had absolutely no control over his actions.

So Katherine raped Stefan? Hmmm.

Damon only compelled Andie not to tell his secret. The rest was her choice.

We r talking about Caroline not andie

Of course he is not bad!! He hurt Jeremy to get answers. To kill Klaus and save Elena AND STEFAN! He's trying to save his brother.And because of him Klaus left and Stefan is around Elena...SE fans say thank you to Damon for all the scenes you're going to get the next episode.

@bdavis98: I know, but NJBCfan kinda said he did the same to Andie as he did with Caroline.

damon is bad?damon Although the made a mistake but stefan too and damon save bonnie caroline too and caroline respect damon Do not do from stefan hero stefan is ripper and this is worse than damon

Who is making a hero out of Stefan? He is worse than Damon, yes. But one being "bad" doesn't make the other "good".
And please let's not mix Damon/Delena/Stelena/Stefan/Elena ALL together... if we're going to analyze let's try to do it separetely.
The key is in not put such childish labels on them.

Damon may have made Caroline forget and not tell his secret but she did want to have sex with him. She was never forced or compelled to sleep with Damon. You can watch 1x02 again and see that they were already in bed together when Damon bit her. She was there willingly because of Damon's seduction, not compulsion.

^ exactly

OMG people. There is no reason to argue... Yes Damon is a bad person to everyone but Elena that is a no brainier he does make good decisions but its only for Elena..Bottom line

And yes hes done bad things like really bad to the point where i don't know how someone could forgive him but this is a show and not real life...I hope you guys can now see the reality of the situation.

yeah its true but stefan is bad too stefan isnt better than damon

@NJBCfan I entirely agree with you, you're absolutely right. What Damon did was disgusting and inexcusable, and Caroline has every reason to hate him. It was, pretty much, rape. What's more, he tried to kill her dad for god's sake! People who say 'well her dad was hurting her', yes he was, I'm not justifying Bill Forbe's sick behaviour, but if you were Caroline, would you like to see your dad being murdered?! Er, I think not! Stefan and Caroline have a friendship going, Stefan has done nothing except be kind and a mentor to her until this season when he's gone evil because of Klaus. Yes, Damon has saved her life many times, but do you really think that's going to erase Caroline's scars of being manipulated by him when she was young and vulnerable? Of course Caroline prefers Stefan to Damon, she's never seen him do anything bad! Damon, however, treated her like crap!

And now to drop the bombshell on all of you who are about to flame me for this comment:I ship DE. I am a massive Damon fan. He is my absolute favourite character. I find Stefan pretty uninteresting. Damon, however, is fantasticly written, witty, hilarious, three dimensional, and has truly found his humanity in Elena. (He also happens to be a sex god. This is beside the point.)But that doesn't make me some kind of moron who thinks that his callous behaviour is acceptable! Of course it isn't! I love his character BECAUSE he is flawed and conflicted, and makes all the wrong choices. Damon is awesome, but the fact that he's making the choices doesn't make those choices the right ones! Get some perspective!
For example, killing Rick in Disturbing Behaviour - from Damon's point of view, what he did was perfectly reasonable. Rick was being really harsh. No-one in the long run would be hurt by snapping his neck. He'd be able to kill Bill (kill Bill, lol), so why the hell not?
Does this mean that I, too, think it was reasonable to kill Rick? No, I don't...because I'm not a twisted messed up vampire, or a total moron!

What I'm trying to say is, I empathise with Damon's point of view, because I absolutely love him, and understand where his behaviour is coming from. In the show, I 110% love and forgive him. But that doesn't mean I think his behaviour is RIGHT, as in reality it's inexcusable...see what I mean?

Okay that was a bit long, I may have to move it to the DE ranting thread... :P