i wonder if the grace is somehow a link to heaven and allows him to tap greater and deeper powers..maybe he needs a human soldier to get him his grace back?

Good question, lucy!

I never thought of it! But it would be so awesome if Lucifer rose and said: "I'm so sorry! I was a naughty boy, I want my grace back, I'm sorry Demons, but being evil is sooo tiring; you can't go anywhere without having rotten eggs thrown at you, I hate eggs!"

I don't know, you'd think that the Angels or God would destroy it somehow to eliminate that type of threat but perhaps it's still hanging around somewhere ... =\

that's a good question!

That really never crossed my ming! Awesome question though!

but I wonder if anyone else could usurp a fallen angel's grace.

...but that's why the notion of an angel losing her/his grace drives me nuts in the first place!! My understanding of angels is that they are a divine being akin to God, He did not 'create' them, they were never human, and they never could be human. Souls go to Heaven, but they do not become angels. The same goes for fallen angels: they WERE divine beings akin to God, He did not 'create' them, they were never human and never could be. Souls go to Hell, but they do not become demons. The difference is, a fallen angel has its 'light' extinguished; that is their punishment for rebelling against God, and they are to remain forever in the 'darkness', separated from the light of God for eternity. I'm of the belief that the number of angels and demons is finite - there are only so many of each, and that's it; humans do not become either angels or demons. Their souls spend eternity either in the 'light' of God, or the 'darkness' of the fallen.

Bottled grace? Maybe that's why I didn't watch that episode again, I hated it! (Well...hate is such a strong word...) Anyway, that's my two cents' worth! And yes, great question!! :)

@67impala, No offense but you're confusing your personal beliefs with the mythology of the show. The writers have created a world separate from our own; sampling from beliefs from all over the world- it's not based on one thing alone and in fact is sometimes entirely made up. In accordance with the mythology of the show, souls go to hell and become demons, etc. You can't make assumptions "that this means/or doesn't mean that" because the Bible(or other source) says so. It's a work of fiction.

I agree with 67impala.I think that the story-line with the bottled grace was lame!And imo it's not lame only because of religious reasons but also because it's like undermining the essence of being an angel or a demon even on the grounds of the show.It's stupid to let a demon become an angel by stealing an angel's grace or vise versa because it needs a hell lot more to become an angel.

I don't think that Lucifer has his own kind of ''grace'' because then God would have a bottled grace which is completely absurd!I believe that concerning the show demons might have a kind of ''evil- grace'' because demons are the equivalent of angels.

In the show, nobody's said that a demon can become an angel! That's just fan speculation. And how do you arrive at the conclusion that God would have a bottled grace? Lucifer (according to the show) is a fallen angel, which means- for one reason or another- his grace was ripped out. God is not an angel- or at least nobody's said that.
Plus, demons are not the equivalent of angels- they're souls who went to hell and were twisted into becoming demons. The definition of what an angel is in the show is as of yet vague but I don't think they were once human. Anna became human, but I don't think she started out as human.

Hi, fanfly! No, I'm not confusing my personal beliefs with the show's mythology; I'm using what could be considered a generally accepted belief to illustrate why this episode did not sit well with me.

I quite happily accept the writers' interpretations of just about any supernatural being, be it culled from urban legend, mythology, or their own brilliant imaginations, whether or not I believe them to be far-fetched. I don't think people would question at all their take on the more obscure adversaries such as the rakshasa or the rugaru, but angels and demons are a much more popular notion; most people would have an idea of what they are regardless of their religious beliefs. I'm not saying they would believe in them, just that they would be aware of them.

So people are going to have opinions, sometimes very strong opinions, about these particular beings. For instance, I agree 100% with toti8's opinion that a 'removable' grace undermines the essence of being an angel. In the show, they have suggested that angels and demons ARE counterparts with Castiel saying the angels are losing the war against the demons. To me, that does put them on the same level if a demon is capable of taking out an angel.

In my comments, I did state "My understanding of angels...blah, blah" and "I'm of the belief...blah,blah,blah". I'm not spouting it as gospel and saying, "Well the show is wrong because...". Again, I'm using it as the basis for my personal opinion that an angel cannot be separated from his/her grace....and we all have opinions, ;)

I see what your saying, 67impala but IMO any work of fiction should be judged on it's own merits and not on preconceived notions. It just generally makes it more enjoyable! :)
And by equivalent, I think I chose the wrong word. I didn't mean that they weren't equivalent in terms of strength/power, but rather in how they were created/source of those powers. So I don't think they have "evil-grace" as toti8 put it.
But of course you're right that everyone's entitled to their opinions! I hope I didn't offend- sometimes I get into debate mode. =)

No offense taken. If a comments section encourages friendly debate, so much the better! It's part of the fun of just throwing your opinion out there and seeing what others think. =^.^=

I think so too- I love hearing differing opinions. What's the fun if everyone agrees all the time? Then there's no real discussion. :)

I'm sorry if I might have sounded a bit offensive (that wasn't my intention)!It's just that I get passionate about the show!

It's no problem :) And I'm sorry too- I'm passionate about it as well!

i don't know the answer to the question, but here's what i think about the subject:

anna and lucifer have both "fallen" but they were different kinds of falls. anna ripped out her grace and all her angelic powers to become a human, lucifer fell not to become human, but by turning to the dark side. he is still a powerful supernatural being, with the abilities of an angel, but he has made hell his home.

when anna took back her grace from uriel, she regained her powers. lucifer never lost his powers so maybe he never lost his grace, just his conscience ?