And for Lucas being an ass/not trying harder with Peyton.

Hmm... the only thing I can think of that would be considered Brooke's fault is the fact that she kind of snuck her way in between them, when (in my opinion) she shouldn't have, since she knew about Peyton's feelings. And because of her coming between them, LP later couldn't be together, for the sake of hurting Brooke? So, if Brooke had never entered herself into the picture... LP could have gotten together, after Peyton admitted her feelings to Lucas.

IMO agree with everything Kelly said

LMAO oh i wonder what inspired you to make this pick. jesus christ. get a freaking life and let me have my own damn opinions for a change. yes, i blame brooke for LP not being able to be together in s1. SUE ME. you broadcasting my opinion in this spot isnt going to prove shit, or make me change my opinion. and you say i start drama. funny.

ok their is no need to attack holly for making this pick yes everyone is entitled to their opinion but this is a good pick

Wow! SOMEONE has a big ego!! :) this is a big thing in fandom, it has nothing to do with JUST you. Jesus fucking Christ man. Get over yourself.

Anywho - Peyton told Brooke over and over and over and over that she didn't want Lucas, she pushed Lucas away, she was a bitch .. and yet she gets to play the victim because Mark kisses her ass.

no, it's not a "good pick". it's her being pathetic as always, and not letting me have one damn opinion that she happens to disagree with. every time she disagrees with what i say she has to make a big damn deal about it. girl seriously needs to get a life and realize that not everyone has to agree with the way she thinks

and the fact that peyton told brooke "over and over and over and over" that she didn't want lucas doesn't mean anything. that still doesn't change the fact that brooke still KNEW THE TRUTH. which is why she said "show us how you REALLY FEEL, kiss lucas" and was constantly asking peyton "are you sure you're ok with this?" if she really thought peyton didn't want lucas and that she wasn't doing anything wrong... she wouldnt have felt the need to constantly ask if peyton was ok

^^ so do you think the world revolves are you or something? seriously, get over yourself.

guys i know what i'm talking about ok. there is a pick in the tv couples spot where i've been debating this subject with people... and ofcourse holly has put her two cents in over there, regarding how wrong and biased by opinion on this subject is. then shortly after.. she makes this pick. no, i dont think the world revolves around me. but THAT is where she got this pick idea from. period.

blah blah blah blah... same old crap over and over again. hollys so innocent and great blah blah blah. don't buy it. she starts shit with me JUST as much as i do with her, she just tends to do it in a more passive-aggressive, less obvious way (like making this pick), so that she doesn't look like a bad guy. not to mention that this has nothing to do with you, at all. so why don't you go kiss hollys ass somewhere else. she can fight her own battles, psycho.

TBSAC if you don't like the question don't answer it just ignore it altogether, it's as simple as that. Instead of answering it only to attack the person who made it, it's pathetic maybe you should practice what you preach and get a 'freaking life'.

*sigh* Knew this would happen... :/
AND I saw that pick on TVcouple spot, THAT debate should have just STAYED on that stupid pick! This Fan base war NEEDS to STOP! Everyone has their opinion whether it's stupid or not or whether you agree with it or not, and EVERYONE gets biased at some point! I'm bias sometimes! I mean do you guys ever get tired of this? Seriously, it's just a show. Nothing more.

It's mostly Lucas's fault ! Let's face it , Lucas didn't love Brooke in season 1 but Peyton . It began with Brooke in 1x07 who was a total bitch in this episode and she tried to push Peyton away from Lucas because she wanted to be with Lucas and everyone's forget that . Then , Lucas wanted to be with Peyton but she pushed him away and Brooke totally profite of the situation and get close to Lucas and Lucas profite of this too and when Peyton realised that she wanted something with Lucas , it was too late . Lucas choosed Brooke because he wanted to get revenge over Peyton and not because we was in love with Brooke ! Then , Peyton and Lucas started to date each other on Brooke's back and I agree that this fact sucks and that they shouldn't do this . So , it's mostly Lucas 's fault because of being a jerk this time.He profites of Brooke because he wanted to get revenge over Peyton and at the end both Brooke and Peyton have been hurt .

*Sigh* Smiled when I saw this pick. Because unfortunatly I am somewhat apart of that "war" on that pick on the TV couples spot. I really doubt that this pick was made to "brodcast your opinion" or make you look like the bad guy TBSAC esp. since no one would have known about the other pick if you hadn't had said something. You just need to calm down. I'm sure the pick was made to get others opinions on the subject.

To give my opinion on the subject.
Brooke was at fault in 1x07 but that's it. Brooke didn't trick anyone into liking her. Brooke asked Peyton multiple times before going out with Lucas and while going out with him if Peyton was okay with it. Peyton said she was. Lucas did not love either of the girls in S1! He barely knew either of them. He liked them both but Peyton turned him down so he tried to move on with someone he found interesting and fun. Peyton then confessed her feelings for him and Lucas chose Brooke. Later on, Lucas realizes that he does feel a strong attraction/want to Peyton and he cheats on Brooke with her. When he does finally break up with Brooke, Peyton decides she doesn't want to hurt Brooke so she breaks it off.

Those are the facts. I don't think I threw in any of my personal opinions but if I did I'm sorry. IMO, Both L and P are responsible for not being together. Not Brooke.

Its a mixture of several of those options.

Brooke was somewhat aware of Lucas and Peyton's lingering feelings but Brooke still wanted him even though it was pretty obvious especially from 1.01-1.07 that Lucas was ONLY interested in Peyton.Why did Brooke keep asking if Peyton liked Lucas? Then all of a sudden she's completely surprised about Leyton's fling. I believe most of the fault for leyton being apart in s1 is Lucas and Peyton themselves.Even with adding Brooke into the situation,she didn't stand a chance but it was Peyton inability to let people in and Lucas's broken heart because of it that made Brooke become an obstacle in their relationship.Lucas was heartbroken over Peyton pushing him away and he just closed his heart and went with second best.Someone who doesn't seem to have as much baggage and on top of that Brooke was more cheery and happy and fun. Peyton from the beginning felt uncomfortable with even the possibility of a Lucas and Brooke relationship because she obviously wanted Lucas though she wasn't ready to admit it to herself until much later. Once she came to the realization,Lucas and Brooke were already in a relationship though Lucas's feelings for Peyton hadn't changed, just hidden for the time being.Peyton was at fault for not at least telling Brooke flat out that she didn't feel comfortable with Brooke/Lucas because though it was obvious to the audience that Peyton was not happy through her facial expressions,Brooke didn't seem to get it or maybe she knew it but didn't want anyone to ruin her chances with Lucas. Either way Peyton finally admitted to Lucas how she felt and just like what peyton did in 1x07,Lucas did the same to her until Lucas finally also came to a realization that he wanted to be with Peyton and not Brooke.ONLY ONE PROBLEM:He was dating Brooke and Peyton was Brooke's BEST friend. Kinda complicates things...Later on Leyton cheated and as much as I HATED Brooke in season 1 and even though I believed she was selfish and was being conniving in 1x07,she was not at all to blame for LEYTON cheating. Lucas should have broke things off with Brooke as soon as he realized that he always wanted Peyton instead of staying with Brooke then getting close with Peyton,then almost having sex at the motel with Peyton.I will never hate the leyton motel episode because for me it was absolutely amazing from a leyton fan's viewpoint.BUT if that didn't happen then Lucas should have told Peyton how he felt and once they agreed that they want to be together then go tell Brooke.She would have been hurt either way but betrayal only came from cheating.

All of the drama could have been prevented but it was one mistake after another,one lie,then multiple lies...and they got sewn into a big web that was so tangled that either way they try to fix things all three especially the ladies would be really hurt.

im with dean-girlx. i blame lucas for being a tool thinking he could have his cake and eat it too. but i also blame peyton, she was the one who constantyl pushed lucas and why and repeatedly told brooke she didnt have feelings for him. brookes not a fucking mind reader, if her bff told her countless times to go for it, its only human that she woul. peyton should have figured out what she wanted too instead of change her mind and ruin everything. brooke is not at fault AT ALL. DUH.

I can't believe this...

I'm only going to respond to clear this up:

TBSAC, YES our debate on the TV Couples spot did give me the idea for this pick! But it was because of us having 2 different opinions, not because I was trying to attack you.

It genuinely interests me to see MULTIPLE points of views, not just mine and yours.

I'm not going to say anything else except this - Please stop attacking me when I haven't even said a word. It's not like I commented on this pick saying ANYTHING, let alone anything about you.

Lucas was mostly to blame for sure! He should have never gotten together with Brooke while he still had feelings for Peyton. Period. It was unfair to Brooke and Peyton.

But Brooke did go after Lucas even though she knew Lucas and Peyton had something and she knew Peyton and should have reaalized it was not okay to go after Lucas! In 107 it was clear that Brooke knew that Lucas and Peyton had feelings for each other, so it was very wrong to go after Lucas.

As for Peyton, I don´t think she did anything wrong before 112, she got scared of Lucas´s feelings for her and her feelings for him, condsidering her past, it was no wonder she was scared to get close to someone.´

I think all of them did something wrong in season 1 but mostly Lucas .

He should have tried harder with Peyton and never gotten together with Brooke.

Even though I ship Leyton, I actually think it's more Lucas and Peytons fault than Brooke's.
Great pick Holly!

Peyton was right for him from the start,and for me,he just use Brooke.

Peyton shouldn't have pushed Luke away but she was scared.

Luke shouldn't have tried to move on from her so fast when it was obvious he couldn't, he should have chosen her.

Brooke should not have gone after Lucas when she found out how much Peyton liked him, because she'd always know Peyton liked him and that Lucas liked her.

Really i saw this on 2 picks how in the hell Brooke knew that Peyton liked him ?

"I dare Peyton to show us how she really feels about Lucas." So after the kiss Brooke 100% knew, before that she knew anyway - she knew her best friend.

She may have known the Peyton liked him, but she liked him too and Peyton REFUSED to actually do something about her feelings. She pushed Lucas away and continued to act as if it was no big deal. Brooke had every right to go after Lucas.

I distinctly remember Brooke letting her know that she liked Lucas and that she'd give her a "courtesy hold" on him, but then, if Peyton didn't make a move, Brooke would. AND PEYTON ONCE AGAIN GAVE HER A BULLSHIT RESPONSE ABOUT NOT NEEDING A COURTESY HOLD!

I'm sorry, but plain and simple, Brooke is NOT to blame. She didn't force anyone to do anything. She didn't put a fucking gun to Luke's head and force him to go out with her.

"I dare Peyton to show us how she really feels about Lucas." So after the kiss Brooke 100% knew, before that she knew anyway - she knew her best friend.


drunk says you anything ?

All my doudt's are on Lucas for not coming through with I thought would be an awesome relationship!!!

drunk says you anything ?

IF your arguement is that Brooke didn't know Peyton liked Lucas after that kiss (drunk or not) - even though Peyton was not actually drunk at all - then your really not giving Brooke much credit.

Peyton kept denying she liked him until that moment. But it was obvious, to everyone - Brooke, Nathan, Haley etc - anyway that she wasn't telling the truth.

Brooke shouldn't have tried to go after Lucas knowing how Peyton felt and knowing how Lucas felt about Peyton. I think it's abit shit and I personally would never to that to my best friend. But as I said: Peyton and Lucas are to blame as well, Brooke's just an extra, had Peyton and Lucas actually tried harder they would have been together regardless of Brooke's actions.

people needed a scape goat, and if you think about it...no one was to blame and no one was innocent. It was a cluster f**k of events and bad decisions, but over all choosing it would be Luke because he tugged with both of them and should have just been honest.

SG1-090 first off i think you understand i mean Brooke was drunk , i mean when you said drunk or not you know i was referring to Brooke right ?i mean nothing personal just the phrasing seems odd that's all.So do you really think Brooke knew it ? then why ask Peyton numerous times and actually say to her ' i would never cut you of for a guy'(unlike Peyton , sorry couldn't help it)?

Brooke didn't have ANY fault. She started to like Lucas and when he realized Peyton may like him too she made sure Peyton wanted him and when she saw her pushing him away and not acting about it and still thinking about Nathan (cause she did) she thought it was her chance...Peyton should've been more open about her feelings and then I'm sure Brooke wouldn't have dated Lucas. And Brooke was ALWAYS genuine with Lucas after Peyton took those pills, it wasn't an act..just saying.

I have a huge cake divided in four pieces.

Peyton
Peyton shouldn't have pushed Luke away. I think everyone agrees this was her mistake. She had obvious feelings for Lucas but she got scared & ran away.

Lucas
Luke problem in S1 is recurring in almost all seasons. His indecisivity & going after girls when his heart is broken is typically Lucas. The rebound phase after the break up: [a REBOUND: it’s not love. Your head tricks you into it to protect you from crushing pain YOUR HEART IS PUTTING YOU trough]
1. When Peyton ran away from the party [1x07], he decided to hook up with Brooke to protect his heart. Brooke was his rebound.
2. When Peyton’s left Lucas for good [1x15], he went out and had sex with Nikki.
3. After breaking up in LA, Lucas meet Brooke and tried to hookup her again. Again his rebound [5x05]
4. After working on this book, he invited Peyton to his book signing, but seeing Peyton never arrived he went out with Lindsey [5x02]
Let’s face it. This guy doesn’t handle heart problems very well. He hides after girls to hide his feelings & protect his heart.

Brooke
The keyword in this entire situation is MANIPULATION. Brooke knew Peyton had feelings for Lucas & she tried to hook Nathan and Peyton to get her out of the way. ‘Peyton: Get me out of the way so you can embarrass yourself with Lucas’. Despite knowing Peyton’s feelings, she continued to go after Lucas. She served as an obstacle to avoid Leyton hook up too soon in the story. I’m not saying Brooke is a bad person but she is not the saint and victim fans depict IMO. I don't blame her so much because she was just a rebound, could have been any other girl.

Bad Timing & Bad Luck.
Lucas & Peyton biggest problem is TIMING. Need explaining?