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Did you become an MJ fan after he died?

*sigh* i did... i really wish i became a fan of his sooner. :( I became a fan because when i saw this is it, I loved it. I wasent a fan b4 cus my dad would say bad things bout him and i did NOT hate mj, but i didnt really like him either. then when i found out the truth bout mj... i just got the fever. i became a fan after he died and i will support and love him until I die. Love you MJ, now and forevermore!!!!
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No, i became fan of him when i saw thriller and dangerous albums. Im a fan of mj since 2008.. He's a great talenge dancer&singer none can replace him forever. MJ THE KING OF POP.
varsa07vinod posted over a year ago
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i beccame a fan a few months before his death when i saw the video foe Smoothe Criminal!!!!!! it was amazing and i loved it, i then became obsessed with his music!!!!
Chaamahan posted over a year ago
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sadly,yes i did.
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HegiMjlover said:
well , i am a crazy MJ fan since 25.06.2009 ..
i heard his famous songs be4 .. the first video that i saw was Black or White ..
and i remember that i said .. OMFG This man is so fucking sexy .. I showed so much interest about him .. but when i was in my house thinking about MJ's sexiness my mom did an accident and she died ... i was so sad and i forgot my MJ :(
Mmm in 25 june ( it was the worst day of my life)
i opened the facebook , the TV and i saw that **THE KING OF POP IS DEAD** and one of MJ's picture .. ( he was so lovely btw)
in 25 june i heard You are not alone .. and obviously i understood that MJ is my emotional HERO .. ♥ :'(
now i am fanatic fan of MJ.. i could die to bring him back .. he means everything to me ..
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well , i am a crazy MJ fan since 25.06.2009 .. 
i heard his famous songs be4 .. the first video that i saw was Black or White .. 
and i remember that i said .. OMFG This man is so fucking sexy .. I showed  so much  interest about him .. but when i was in my house thinking about MJ's sexiness my mom did an accident and she died ... i was so sad and i forgot my MJ :(
Mmm in 25 june ( it was the worst day of my life)
i opened the facebook , the TV and i saw that **THE KING OF POP IS DEAD** and one of MJ's picture .. ( he was so lovely btw)
in 25 june i heard You are not alone .. and obviously i understood that MJ is my emotional HERO .. ♥ :'( 
now i am fanatic fan of MJ.. i could die to bring him back .. he means everything to me ..
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poor you :( ♥ i am sorry for ur mom
MJMyLovely1 posted over a year ago
MJJLOVE said:
No i didn´t, i became a Fan 1995 when i saw the video to Michael´s Scream. I fell in love with him immediately. And since that moment i´m a big Fan of him and love him dearly to death... He was my first Love and now he´s the Love of my Life.
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No i didn´t, i became a Fan 1995 when i saw the video to Michael´s Scream. I fell in love with him immediately. And since that moment i´m a big Fan of him and love him dearly to death... He was my first Love and now he´s the Love of my Life.
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Savy121 said:
ya i did and now i also i wish i had become sooner cuz he is a terrific singer ^_^
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Chaamahan said:
No i became a fan before..... i fell in love with his music videos and his amazing dancing!!!!
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retrolove83 said:
I've liked his music since I was about 3 or 4 years old. So no.
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i'm 28 now
retrolove83 posted over a year ago
liberiangirl_mj said:
I became a fan back in 1991-1992 after I sow the video of Dirty Diana. I was crazy about his performance at MTV 10th anniversary too.. I wanted to see it non stop lol :)) too bad at that time it wasn't internet..
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I became a fan back in 1991-1992 after I sow the video of Dirty Diana. I was crazy about his performance at MTV 10th anniversary too.. I wanted to see it non stop lol :)) too bad at that time it wasn't internet..
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Love, love, love that pic!!! =)
Vespera posted over a year ago
jester616 said:
I've been a fan of his since his Jackson 5 days.
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tkdiamond said:
No, but I was family b4 I was a fan and til this day I still just look at him as my older cousin and not really a superstar
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MrsJackson09 said:
Sadly yes but i never hated him though.i liked a few of his songs.
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me too. i never hated him nd i new the song wanna be startin something and billie jean. now i LOVE HIM!!!!!
MJlovaNumba1 posted over a year ago
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Same, i never hated him.
Shyanna3 posted over a year ago
niny_5 said:
Yes!!! When I saw episode "Michael" on Glee!!!
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icuSTALKER said:
I grew up listening to Michael Jackson since I was born, so I've been a fan since I was at least 3. Go MJ!!!!!!!!:D:D:D
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mjpeterpan7 said:
Nope.Fortunately I became a fan of him in 2008.
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ninjakitty50 said:
i became a fan because of my mom!
when i was about 6, she was listening 2 one of michael's old songs when he was little, & i asked my mom "who is that singing???" she said that's michael jackson. i told her i really like that song! she said "he's a really good singer. he was born around the time i was" (not to show my mom's age! xD) she grew up listening to him.
& after that i looked him up & i was soo fascinated by him, his music, song writing, and dancing!
the song that i heard was ABC & i loved it!
his music video smooth criminal was the first time i ever really saw him.
i love you michael!<3
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I love ABC too
tkdiamond posted over a year ago
iluvfantasia said:
Well kinda....because i was a fan of the jackson 5 before he died when i was about 4 or 5 but not of him ..
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MJs-xxPYTxx-95 said:
MJ's always been a part of my life..♥ but it hurts that I know him better now than I did before.. but I guess it was because I was very young to know much before, but my family have always been MJ fans.. & I have memories that I will tresure forever from when he was alive.. He'll always be in my heart and I will spread the MJ love always..♥
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MJluv4ever said:
No,ive been a fan since i was 5 :) but, I became an official fanatic when I was 7, when I saw him in the "Bad" video :D
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how old r u now
justibiebsfan posted over a year ago
msmj2012 said:
I have loved this yummy man since I was 4 yrs old. And I always will XD
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I have loved this yummy man since I was 4 yrs old. And I always will XD
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yummy?.........
tkdiamond posted over a year ago
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lol! its another word for saying sexy or cute XD
msmj2012 posted over a year ago
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he does look yummy here!>xD
goldpantsbaws posted over a year ago
mjkingofpop1 said:
I've been a fan of him forever. The day i was born, as a matter of fact, the first song that was going through my head was Dangerous and I didn't even realize it. My parents never knew how big of a fan I was of his until they surprised me with a trip to Gary, Indiana last year. But don't feel bad, not a lot of people were a fan of his sooner. A lot of people say bad things all the time about him and I honestly felt hurt about it. Just ignore all who say what the tabloids say and keep believing! Much love! <3333
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mj_lover20 said:
no i didnt i became a MJ fan wen i was lets see ummmmm 1or5 im not sure but wen i seen him dance sing and stuff and wen the invincible album cam out and i startd dancing like him to its awesome i even went to go see him to so cool
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zanesaaomgfan said:
Yeah, but even now, I'm not a die-hard fan. I like his music. *shrug*
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chokladen94 said:
yes and i regret it everyday :( i started to like him when i was like 3 years old when i saw Black or white for the first time. i still remember that i loved the video and i watched it everytime it came on MTV. i also watched other MJ videos but i never knew who he was. then the allegations came and my dad wouldnt let me see him again because he believed that he was guilty >:( so i forgot about him. then when he died it hurted and i didnt even know why i felt so sad about it. then i watched all the videos and i started to love him again. later i fell IN love with him and i will always love him like i do now. but i still feel very sad when i think about that i didnt love him before. i will never forgive myself for it :( im so sorry Michael

btw the picture below is almost the first pic i ever saw of him
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yes and i regret it everyday :( i started to like him when i was like 3 years old when i saw Black or white for the first time. i still remember that i loved the video and i watched it everytime it came on MTV. i also watched other MJ videos but i never knew who he was. then the allegations came and my dad wouldnt let me see him again because he believed that he was guilty >:( so i forgot about him. then when he died it hurted and i didnt even know why i felt so sad about it. then i watched all the videos and i started to love him again. later i fell IN love with him and i will always love him like i do now. but i still feel very sad when i think about that i didnt love him before. i will never forgive myself for it :( im so sorry Michael

btw the picture below is almost the first pic i ever saw of him
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my dad still thinks his guilty. it makes cry that i used to think he was a wierdo.... sorry mj. i will never ever think that way ever again!!!!
MJlovaNumba1 posted over a year ago
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your dad is mean
tkdiamond posted over a year ago
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I always loved Michael even though I loved Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift.
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Vespera said:
I've always liked Michael. He was the best! His music, dancing, personality, good looks... I loved everything about him, and still do. We're so lucky to have lived at the same time as him. When he died, I was absolutely devastated. It made me realize how much I love him. I regret that I didn't try to meet him when he was still here, or at least send him a letter or something. Now it's too late, and that hurts. I hope he understood how much we fans loved him.

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I've always liked Michael. He was the best! His music, dancing, personality, good looks... I loved everything about him, and still do. We're so lucky to have lived at the same time as him. When he died, I was absolutely devastated. It made me realize how much I love him. I regret that I didn't try to meet him when he was still here, or at least send him a letter or something. Now it's too late, and that hurts. I hope he understood how much we fans loved him.
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Hyatts said:
I actually became a MJ fan the day he died. I thought I was the only one. I wish I would have known about him sooner. I won't ever forget him though. He truly is our king.
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I actually became a MJ fan the day he died. I thought I was the only one. I wish I would have known about him sooner. I won't ever forget him though. He truly is our king.
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MJBad87 said:
I'm also one I been fan of him since his death well I been a fan of him 4 years since his death counting his year that he die . But I'm happy thats he's in my heart . He's always my hero !!!
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i became a fan a week after his death
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MJpixy said:
I became a fan the day he died,I saw him on the news and I'll regret my whole life what I said!I saw a pic of him,the one below,and my daddy said:"Look Maddy,Michael Jackson died." and I said:"Why does he look like this,was he gay?"...:(( I said it because of his ears they looked like some elf's ears in the photo and at that time I was judging the books after the cover...:(( And now I don't anymore but at that time I had no reason to live...And I still remember I was going to the volleyball training and that night I saw a video on MTV and I loved it and I remember that when I saw Bad I totally fell for him and I stood up until 2 a.m. and the last video,I still remember that very well,was The way you make me feel and it just begun but I was too tired,although I wanted to watch his videos the whole night!And I'll keep being his fan until I die and even after!(L)
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I became a fan the day he died,I saw him on the news and I'll regret my whole life what I said!I saw a pic of him,the one below,and my daddy said:"Look Maddy,Michael Jackson died." and I said:"Why does he look like this,was he gay?"...:(( I said it because of his ears they looked like some elf's ears in the photo and at that time I was judging the books after the cover...:(( And now I don't anymore but at that time I had no reason to live...And I still remember I was going to the volleyball training and that night I saw a video on MTV and I loved it and I remember that when I saw Bad I totally fell for him and I stood up until 2 a.m. and the last video,I still remember that very well,was The way you make me feel and it just begun but I was too tired,although I wanted to watch his videos the whole night!And I'll keep being his fan until I die and even after!(L)
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W.O.W you seriously thought he was gay ?
tkdiamond posted over a year ago
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umm to be honest I also thougt he was gay.... cos of my dad, my dad still thinks his gay I DONT i regret saying that.
MJlovaNumba1 posted over a year ago
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Well,not literally but...I can't deal with it...:((
MJpixy posted over a year ago
MJISALIVE said:
No...I knew before he died, i was about 5 or 6....but i never knew it was him because i didnt know about the vitiligo....i became a mega fan after he died
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No...I knew before he died, i was about 5 or 6....but i never knew it was him because i didnt know about the vitiligo....i became a mega fan after he died
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thrillerlady11 said:
Yes!!!
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MJlover2012 said:
I've been a fan of him all my life! I just adore him very much!!!

I miss you MJ!!!
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I've been a fan of him all my life! I just adore him very much!!! 

I miss you MJ!!!
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BeyFierce said:
Before i become a MJ fan,i really wouldn't have a meaning to my life..
No i'm not kidding..I can barely remember how my life used to be before this...day
It's like everything changed in a minute,like all my past just passed the door...
Well,as you understand yea i'm a fan from 2009,from the first day i saw Michael...
As a little child i would always listen and watch Smooth Criminal on Tv..
But as i have said before,NO ONE ,no one ever told me about him..I knew the song,i loved the song but i didn't know the singer..It's a little complicated but as a child,i couldn't know MJ except if my parents had told me about him..But even my mum who is a MJ fan for years,she never told me about him..I'm still very mad at her about that ,but i'm also angry with myself..If only i knew MJ and had the chance to grow up with him for awhile..I know that my life wouldn't be like it was in the past..At first ,when i became a fan i would never expect that my life would change forever..
It's not only about his music,his amazing and uncomparable talent,his legendary dance moves..Everything about him is special,irreplaceable..
I felt in love with him through his music,this ability to pass his messages through his songs,his singing mesmerised me..And i always thought he was very charming and beautiful,honestly i have never called him or consider or even think that he's ugly
He is an angel to my eyes *_*
I also got to say that the first thing i fell in love with him is his eyes..The windows to his soul
No matter what he would do,no matter if he had vitiligo i don't care,HE IS BEAUTIFUL!!...It's the soul that matters for me
And i believe people should look within their soul more and see what a innocent,sensitive,caring and gold-hearted human Michael is
Good people always are taken for granted and becuz Michael was better than them,he was more humble and respectful to things that most people don't care..They can't accept the different
Michael always tried to open people's eyes,to wake them up and see by themselves what is really important,what we take for granted and that should appreciate those things before they're lost
I have understand and realized so many things thanks to Michael and i wonder if i will ever have the chance to thank him and show him my love for him
Maybe sometimes you see me as just girl who is crazy around Michael,about everything with his appearance and his sexyness(yea i had to say that :pIt's a big truth) but i'm more open-minded than some people would think
I hope one day i'll spread Mj's message far away from the internet or by posts on sites
becuz i really wanna do something about it and not just talk
..it's like I have started living now,like my first sight in this world was Michael..I'm crazy about him!
I just love him so much,i respect him,i understand him and i will never stop feeling that way about him♥♥**
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Before i become a MJ fan,i really wouldn't have a meaning to my life..
No i'm not kidding..I can barely remember how my life used to be before this...day
It's like everything changed in a minute,like all my past just passed the door...
Well,as you understand yea i'm a fan from 2009,from the first day i saw Michael...
As a little child i would always listen and watch Smooth Criminal on Tv..
But as i have said before,NO ONE ,no one ever told me about him..I knew the song,i loved the song but i didn't know the singer..It's a little complicated but as a child,i couldn't know MJ except if my parents had told me about him..But even my mum who is a MJ fan for years,she never told me about him..I'm still very mad at her about that ,but i'm also angry with myself..If only i knew MJ and had the chance to grow up with him for  awhile..I know that my life wouldn't be like it was in the past..At first ,when i became a fan i would never expect that my life would change forever..
It's not only about his music,his amazing and uncomparable talent,his legendary dance moves..Everything about him is special,irreplaceable..
I felt in love with him through his music,this ability to pass his messages through his songs,his singing mesmerised me..And i always thought he was very charming and beautiful,honestly i have never called him or consider or even think that he's ugly
He is an angel to my eyes *_*
I also got to say that the first thing i fell in love with him is his eyes..The windows to his soul
No matter what he would do,no matter if he had vitiligo i don't care,HE IS BEAUTIFUL!!...It's the soul that matters for me
And i believe people should look within their soul more and see what a innocent,sensitive,caring and gold-hearted human Michael is
Good people always are taken for granted and becuz Michael was better than them,he was more humble and respectful to things that most people don't care..They can't accept the different
Michael always tried to open people's eyes,to wake them up and see by themselves what is really important,what we take for granted and that should appreciate those things before they're lost
I have understand and realized so many things thanks to Michael and i wonder if i will ever have the chance to thank him and show him my love for him
Maybe sometimes you see me as just girl who is crazy around Michael,about everything with his appearance and his sexyness(yea i had to say that :pIt's a big truth) but i'm more open-minded than some people would think
I hope one day i'll spread Mj's message far away from the internet or by posts on sites
becuz i really wanna do something about it and not just talk
..it's like I have started living now,like my first sight in this world was Michael..I'm crazy about him!
I just love him so much,i respect him,i understand him and i will never stop feeling that way about him♥♥**
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Nice picture.
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goldpantsbaws said:
Sadly,yes.I didn't hate or dislike him,though. I just thought he wz weird nd I regret it to this day!I wz starting to b a fan a few weeks b4 he died cuz I thought the thriller video wz kickass btt then he died nd I saw the rest of the videos nd beautiful heart.....u could say it wz love at first sight to me.
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lolz same here.
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MetallicaMJFan said:
yes your gonna hate me when i say this but before he died i never really liked him i only liked his music but then i started watching videos like bad and dirty diana and now im a crazy little mj perv i love him so much.I really do regret hateing him before and i nobody hates on me for saying that.
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popstar000 said:
no i been a fan now,later,and forever
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no i been a fan now,later,and forever
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DSJM said:
No. I've been a fan of Michael's all my life. I'm 48 years old.
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justibiebsfan said:
Sadly, yes. I became a MJ fan a month after he died.
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ilovemichael17 said:
well sorta of but i think i was the whole time but i just didn't realize it ( always though he was a little bit attractive) but now i thiink he's absoultly Sexy as heck
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xXzeyanasXx said:
Ever since I was a little kid, around 4 or 5, I would love watching Michael's music videos. I sang along with them and tried immitating his dance moves as kid, then again who didn't. I enjoyed his music very much, but then something terrible happened, as I began to get older, I would listen to the news/ "media" and see a bunch of awful reports about MJ. I was shocked, I didn't know how to react to any of this. I was confused. However my mother wasn't confused at all, she believed everything the media had to say, at least I'm pretty sure she did. Well, I would always hear her talk about how his skin disease vitiligo wasn't true and that he was probably guilty of those horrendous charges. So, what did I do after hearing my mom say all this at a young age? I believed her. I had absolutely no one to tell me otherwise, everytime there was a cruel joke about him, she would laugh. So therefore I would laugh too. It was difficult for me, considering I'm only child and I never knew my dad(he died when I was 3). Most of my 'friends' paid little to no attention to him as well. But there is another problem, I always loved his music but I was scared to get any of his albums because of what other kids at my school would think. Stupid I know, when I reflect back on it I realize what an idiot I have been. Though, as I said before, no one was there to guide me in the right path. Bare in mind I wasn't even a teenager when I made these foolish choices. As time went on, he began to sadly disappear from my mind. I never really thought of him for the past 4 years or so. Then all of the sudden, I hear he has died. I was in complete shock and couldn't believe it. It took until after his memorial for me to realize he was actually gone. After that, I couldn't stop crying, I cried myself to sleep at night not only out of sadness, but out of guilt as well. I felt as if though I should be punished for my mistake and the decisions I made. I know it's probably not my fault, but no matter what I cannot stop beating myself up about it. Words cannot express how sorry I am, how much pain I have gone through knowing I can never erase my mistakes and that Michael is no longer with us. I look at comments on Michael's videos about people who have been true fans but, I'm only 19. I was born in 1992, so you can kinda guess the 'image' of Michael that I unfortunately grew up with. Now that is not say that all kids born around that time have the same situation as me, take LoveForMJJ4ever for example. She has loved him practically all her life and I desperately wish I could have been the same. After having been through so much pain and judgments on my undying love for Michael, I now realize that I am a true fan. No one around me is able to see what I see in Michael, no matter how I try to explain. But, I'm okay with that because I know all of us MJ fans are a family. Finally, I L.O.V.E you Michael and nothing can change that. Ever.
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Ever since I was a little kid, around 4 or 5, I would love watching Michael's music videos. I sang along with them and tried immitating his dance moves as kid, then again who didn't. I enjoyed his music very much, but then something terrible happened, as I began to get older, I would listen to the news/ "media" and see a bunch of awful reports about MJ. I was shocked, I didn't know how to react to any of this. I was confused. However my mother wasn't confused at all, she believed everything the media had to say, at least I'm pretty sure she did. Well, I would always hear her talk about how his skin disease vitiligo wasn't true and that he was probably guilty of those horrendous charges. So, what did I do after hearing my mom say all this at a young age? I believed her. I had absolutely no one to tell me otherwise, everytime there was a cruel joke about him, she would laugh. So therefore I would laugh too. It was difficult for me, considering I'm only child and I never knew my dad(he died when I was 3). Most of my 'friends' paid little to no attention to him as well. But there is another problem, I always loved his music but I was scared to get any of his albums because of what other kids at my school would think. Stupid I know, when I reflect back on it I realize what an idiot I have been. Though, as I said before, no one was there to guide me in the right path. Bare in mind I wasn't even a teenager when I made these foolish choices. As time went on, he began to sadly disappear from my mind. I never really thought of him for the past 4 years or so. Then all of the sudden, I hear he has died. I was in complete shock and couldn't believe it. It took until after his memorial for me to realize he was actually gone. After that, I couldn't stop crying, I cried myself to sleep at night not only out of sadness, but out of guilt as well. I felt as if though I should be punished for my mistake and the decisions I made. I know it's probably not my fault, but no matter what I cannot stop beating myself up about it. Words cannot express how sorry I am, how much pain I have gone through knowing I can never erase my mistakes and that Michael is no longer with us. I look at comments on Michael's videos about people who have been true fans but, I'm only 19. I was born in 1992, so you can kinda guess the 'image' of Michael that I unfortunately grew up with. Now that is not say that all kids born around that time have the same situation as me, take LoveForMJJ4ever for example. She has loved him practically all her life and I desperately wish I could have been the same. After having been through so much pain and judgments on my undying love for Michael, I now realize that I am a true fan. No one around me is able to see what I see in Michael, no matter how I try to explain. But, I'm okay with that because I know all of us MJ fans are a family. Finally, I L.O.V.E you Michael and nothing can change that. Ever.
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cherl12345 said:
I was a fan of his on/off, but I started listening to his music subsequent to watching his memorial service in 2009.
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Shyanna3 said:
I was only 5 when he died (2009). And I first found him out a year later (2010), when Man In The Mirror was playing on the radio. I fell in love with it, and fell in love with the rest of his songs after. Before 2009, I didn't know who he was, nor did I even knew he existed I then began to read biographies. I knew he died when I was 5, but i didn't remember the year. The biographies were amazing, and it impressed me about how he did all those wonderful things. Later that year, I became a fan.

But my guilt about just only becoming fan after he died dragged me down a little. I thought if I let him go and forget, I would be happy, but I wasn't able to, everything reminded me of him, and it was hard. Though I continued to like him, and now, I am an even bigger fan today.
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ShyannaLovesMJ said:
Yes, because I was born very young, and I would of heard of him, if I was born sooner. Because I was a little girl with a little pea brain, and Michael Jackson never showed, everytime I watched TV. I remember hearing about him when I was only 6, in 2010. And to this day, I still feel ashamed.
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MJsWifey said:
Yes, sadly. I didn't know about him until my parents got the Wii game "Michael Jackson The Experience SE" I fell in love with the music. Fell in love with the dance. Found out what he looked like and fell in love. My dad told me all of the lies and I believed one: He bleached his skin. My dad never told me he had vitiligo. When I found out that he had vitiligo and that I was told these lies, I was ashamed for believing it. So I found out the truth and now I am very aware of the Tabloids. I now know his personality and love him majorly for it! (We are alike personality wise) I found out his life story and cried. I now stand up for Michael and I am proud to do so. I am proud to call myself a Moonwalker. I am proud to know him and the truths. Wanna insult him? Go ahead. I'll make time travel possible for you and back-hand you to the year 7659! (JK. I can't fight!) But, anyway, Michael Joseph Jackson was the greatest person known to man! People say, "R.I.P Mike". I say, "He lives on." People say, "1958-2009". I say, "1958-Forever". People say "He's weird for being childish". I say, "Go through what he went through. You'll know why he is a child at heart." He is my inspiration. My hero. My love.
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