O Tempora o Mores
Oh the times, oh the customs
This article is an appeal to all Twilight fans out there, I invite you all to think over your good and bad actions here on fanpop and contemplate them.
I have seen and compared examples of the appearances of the fandoms Harry Potter and respectively Twilight when criticism appear in each other’s sites on fanpop and I am astounded by the comparatively aggressive tone the Twilight fans carried when they respond to the said criticism.
Compare the responses of: link
And: link ;
Notes are to be made that both internet addresses were found by searching for “Harry Potter sucks” and “Twilight sucks”. I will let you draw your own conclusions while bearing in mind that these results are not representative for either fandom.
I recently came over this: link
while browsing fanpop and was truly shocked and much saddened to find so many aggressive and outright illegal threats being made upon the originator of this question. Why do fans of Twilight feel like they have to defend their fandom so ferociously? Why do they impose threats of death and destruction upon people who dislike their fandom? To me this is comparable to religious fanatism who spawns equally hostile threats.
Compare the following partial quotes and quotes, preserved in their original spelling:
“Satan worshipping scum…Please die and go to hell…I hope you get a painful disease like rectal cancer and die a slow painful death.” – Cited partially and out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 243, Richard Dawkins.
“We will not go quietly away. If in the future that requires violence just remember you brought it on. My rifle is loaded.” - Cited out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 244, Richard Dawkins.
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!! I COULD SHOOT U!!!! GET UR UGLY MEAN OLD SELF AAAAAWWWWWAAAAAAAAAY FROM THIS FANSITE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!” – Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, stephmfan215.
“stephmfan215 Ill help u kill here thats stupid to come on here if u dont like the saga now dont leave any more questions and GET OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!” – Cited from same source as the previous one, twimenfan.
“u r stupid for being n the twilight fan club so get out
I HOPE U ROT IN HELL AFTER ALL OF THEE PEOPLE KILL U AND I ALSO HOPE TAT U GET EATEN BUY NEWBORNS U BUM FACE” - Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, twiliholic17.
Now I would think that the intention of those quotes are mutually inseparable, death and destruction. Agree or disagree?
Why be so hostile? Twilight fans? In comparison the worst comment to link is “YOU.NEED.ENGLISH.LESSONS.” - Addicted2TV.
Then isn’t there a great and dishonourable discrepancy in regards of civility when one compares Twilight and Harry Potter fans? At least when you look at the links provided?
What does one make of the frequent fallacious arguments made in favour of Twilight? The good looking Edward and Jacob are frequently inferred by fans who believe this is a winning argument against criticism. Well, when one thinks through it properly, it’s not a winning argument, it’s fallacious.
What is a fallacious argument? Well, Oxford English Dictionary Online defines Fallacy as:
noun (plural fallacies)
• a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments: the notion that the camera never lies is a fallacy
• Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid
• [mass noun] faulty reasoning: the potential for fallacy which lies behind the notion of self-esteem
I would like to point out definition two: Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
Yes, your argument is invalid, not applicable, a failure in reasoning. And as such can be discounted from the discussion.
What is the fallacious part of the argument “Edward is good looking; therefore Twilight is a good book.”? Well, it is an non sequitur fallacy, the statement/conclusion is not supported by the argument; and therefore it is unsound. For who would believe that a statement is valid when it is unsupported by the argument?
By the way: The Oxford English Dictionary Online defines Non Sequitur as:
• A conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
Summa Summarum: Dear Rabid Twilight fans, we are happily tired of being threatened and bothered by your fallacious statements. “Quousque tandem abutere, amici Twilightiae, patientia nostra? For how much more, Twilight fans, will you abuse our patience?” Then can we not coexist in civility? Please?
And to the civil Twilight fans, we are very much grateful for your existence and hopefully you will continue do the good work, because we mutually know that respect is two-ways.
Oh the times, oh the customs
This article is an appeal to all Twilight fans out there, I invite you all to think over your good and bad actions here on fanpop and contemplate them.
I have seen and compared examples of the appearances of the fandoms Harry Potter and respectively Twilight when criticism appear in each other’s sites on fanpop and I am astounded by the comparatively aggressive tone the Twilight fans carried when they respond to the said criticism.
Compare the responses of: link
And: link ;
Notes are to be made that both internet addresses were found by searching for “Harry Potter sucks” and “Twilight sucks”. I will let you draw your own conclusions while bearing in mind that these results are not representative for either fandom.
I recently came over this: link
while browsing fanpop and was truly shocked and much saddened to find so many aggressive and outright illegal threats being made upon the originator of this question. Why do fans of Twilight feel like they have to defend their fandom so ferociously? Why do they impose threats of death and destruction upon people who dislike their fandom? To me this is comparable to religious fanatism who spawns equally hostile threats.
Compare the following partial quotes and quotes, preserved in their original spelling:
“Satan worshipping scum…Please die and go to hell…I hope you get a painful disease like rectal cancer and die a slow painful death.” – Cited partially and out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 243, Richard Dawkins.
“We will not go quietly away. If in the future that requires violence just remember you brought it on. My rifle is loaded.” - Cited out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 244, Richard Dawkins.
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!! I COULD SHOOT U!!!! GET UR UGLY MEAN OLD SELF AAAAAWWWWWAAAAAAAAAY FROM THIS FANSITE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!” – Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, stephmfan215.
“stephmfan215 Ill help u kill here thats stupid to come on here if u dont like the saga now dont leave any more questions and GET OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!” – Cited from same source as the previous one, twimenfan.
“u r stupid for being n the twilight fan club so get out
I HOPE U ROT IN HELL AFTER ALL OF THEE PEOPLE KILL U AND I ALSO HOPE TAT U GET EATEN BUY NEWBORNS U BUM FACE” - Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, twiliholic17.
Now I would think that the intention of those quotes are mutually inseparable, death and destruction. Agree or disagree?
Why be so hostile? Twilight fans? In comparison the worst comment to link is “YOU.NEED.ENGLISH.LESSONS.” - Addicted2TV.
Then isn’t there a great and dishonourable discrepancy in regards of civility when one compares Twilight and Harry Potter fans? At least when you look at the links provided?
What does one make of the frequent fallacious arguments made in favour of Twilight? The good looking Edward and Jacob are frequently inferred by fans who believe this is a winning argument against criticism. Well, when one thinks through it properly, it’s not a winning argument, it’s fallacious.
What is a fallacious argument? Well, Oxford English Dictionary Online defines Fallacy as:
noun (plural fallacies)
• a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments: the notion that the camera never lies is a fallacy
• Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid
• [mass noun] faulty reasoning: the potential for fallacy which lies behind the notion of self-esteem
I would like to point out definition two: Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
Yes, your argument is invalid, not applicable, a failure in reasoning. And as such can be discounted from the discussion.
What is the fallacious part of the argument “Edward is good looking; therefore Twilight is a good book.”? Well, it is an non sequitur fallacy, the statement/conclusion is not supported by the argument; and therefore it is unsound. For who would believe that a statement is valid when it is unsupported by the argument?
By the way: The Oxford English Dictionary Online defines Non Sequitur as:
• A conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
Summa Summarum: Dear Rabid Twilight fans, we are happily tired of being threatened and bothered by your fallacious statements. “Quousque tandem abutere, amici Twilightiae, patientia nostra? For how much more, Twilight fans, will you abuse our patience?” Then can we not coexist in civility? Please?
And to the civil Twilight fans, we are very much grateful for your existence and hopefully you will continue do the good work, because we mutually know that respect is two-ways.
