the praise for the classics is overbearing! They are nice but not Gods of Disney princesses line-up! #moveoninlife

- "omgz, the renaissance was the best disney era evar!!1!"
- [insert random hate for post-renaissance heroines]
- disney stans accusing non-disney films of ripping off their formula just because they use some trope/storytelling device that is older than dirt but was popularized by disney... you know, like ragging on the swan princess and anastasia for "copying", like walt invented princess stories or something

Well...ever since Frozen debuted in 2013, so began the "popular culture stigma" that the Renaissance and Classic eras are SOOOO OVERRATED!!!!!! This is what I've heard nonstop. This eventually got sickening to hear...because it was plastered all over IMDB, on tumblr, and on every other social media site, including YouTube and on Fanpop.

Other broad phrases that seemed to gall me, were:

Elsa is the queen! She's better than any of the princesses! *Insert vicious rap battles to prove point*


The Moderns are THE BEST ERA EVER!!!! Okaaaay... in only your opinion, I guess, since you continually rag on the Classics and the Renaissance for " perceived flaws" to illustrate your point of view. Anybody can do that. That takes zero effort.


Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida, Anna, and Elsa are FAR BETTER characters than Snow, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, and Mulan because 1) They don't need men to function, so they aren't weak ( So you now define femininity solely by portraying the other gender as awful?), 2) They don't marry ( Oh, right, because that's also a sign of weakness), 3) They own their own business!!!! (Like that was somehow novel or needed by the way, since us females have been handling small businesses for a while, thank you. ETSY, anyone? ), 4) They're stronger princesses because they actually "don't wait around" for a prince ( What the heck? ABSOLUTELY NONE of the prior princesses preceding the Moderns were shown completely sitting on their *sses all of the time!!!! How about the endless chores that the princesses did? How about exploration of forgotten rooms in castles, the sea, the land, the marketplace, and the foreigners? How about dances and balls? How about reading? Joining the godfreakin army is now equated with "waiting around"? REALLY???)

Nobody "needs" romance in a Disney princess movie. It should not be there.

along with

Family is better than romance!

^ Okay. You can quit saying "family" is better ( because it's NOT BETTER, it's just WAY DIFFERENT and platonic). Also, it's a myth to say that your family will always be alive and there for you, because we don't have eternal bodies. We die. Furthermore, Elsa was family to Anna, and Elsa seriously let Anna down, and Anna became a block of ice, because Elsa kept pushing her away. Also, some families abuse their kids intentionally. "Family members" will let you down from time to time, so why are we now constructing all of this hate for romance, and then teaching it to our kids? Family is not always "tried and true"*


"You can't marry a man you just met!" Great. Just SLAM ALMOST ALL of the characters in the entire lineup in a single go--- WITHIN A PRINCESS movie, no less!!!! This is a fairy-tale trope you are attacking. Why? Was it really harming anyone? Everyone knows it's a bleeping story; even children know that. And I should high five you? For what, exactly? Being purposely provocative? Fine. You checked that box.




*NEWS FLASH!!! Your family is going to grow up, move away from you and live separate lives, and/or grow old and sick and die. Hard facts. Family ain't around forever. Sorry to burst the bubble of your "new trope."

Basically anything along the lines of Frozen stans, and some other stuff:
-"Frozen was the first Disney film to teach you that you don' t need a man to save you!"
-"Anna is such a good inspiration for feminists because she punched Hans!!1!!!"
-"Elsa is such a good role model for feminists because she didn't get married!11~!"
-"'Let It Go' is the best song in the history of Disney music and it's so inspiring :') "
-"Elsa doesn't get married so it's obvious that she's a lesbian"
-"Mulan shouldn't be in the lineup because she's not royal!!!"
-"Hans is the worst/scariest/most evil Disney villain because he tried to kill Elsa:!"

Frozen is overrated.

O.k., we get it, i don't need to hear every time I see Disney fans discussing things. I've heard this just as much as the Frozen praise and I'm tired of both, honestly.

You pretty much nailed it all, and wavesurf added all the ones I think that wasn't in your post. I have a few though:

-how much Disney fans seem to resent men. at least, women who receive their help. why else do they hate the "damsels" so much? which is friggin' stupid because if you don't yet realize every single heroine, including Mulan and Esmeralda and Tiana, has gotten helped or rescued by a man, you haven't been watching any movies. the only one who I guess doesn't is Pocahontas, but she was never in any real danger. the difference is ones like Aurora don't use weapons or are seen physically fighting anyone (but why would she need to?) which is what uneducated people mistake bravery for. Esmeralda is very brave, a good fighter- and gets rescued many times in the movie, more than Aurora or whoever did (not knocking her, it's just what happened). Elsa too- I'm surprised she's seen as so tough and self-reliant because she gets saved twice in the movie, and if it weren't for her powers she'd have been long dead. I hate people's hatred for women who need help. everyone needs help and you're lying if you say you don't. Men aren't evil for helping us!

-Snow White was a moron to bite the apple. I get why some people find Anna dumb for trusting Hans (though I'd never call any of the girls truly dumb), but like with Snow, people fail to see it from THEIR point of view. Both are lonely, sheltered girls who feel very unloved (much more so in Anna's case but not because she was abused/enslaved like Snow) and this led them to make some risky, impulsive choices when the opportunities presented themselves- after all, like with Ariel and Ursula, they didn't know if they'd ever have another shot at it so they took the chance. Besides, Snow IS A KID. And she was too polite to say no. is that not obvious?

-Saying Belle is the smartest solely for her hobby of reading. Belle is smart, but not because she reads and she isn't the smartest IMO. I'm really not trying to bash her here, but I do think of all the DPs she has the longest list of making unintelligent choices, and since she's much older, wiser, and more educated than Snow, doesn't make her look that good. I wouldn't call her the smartest or dumbest.

-"Anna is a Rapunzel ripoff!" of either face (which are link anyway) or personality. Even if I didn't think Rapunzel was very Sue-ish, she's still very different from Anna. Anna is too impulsive, trusting and throws caution to the wind. she's also more romantic and tomboyish and pretty selfless. they're both outgoing, sweet and warm, that's it.

-people bashing the DPs, period, as a means of praising the non-Disney girls and/or the Disney non-Princesses. I'm sick of it. OK, you don't have to like the franchise, but I think there's a good reason they have their own line and your non DP/princess doesn't. Not all the DPs or their movies are perfect but neither are your favorites. I love many non DPs/Princesses but I do think people exaggerate how great they are just as means of insulting the DPs. it's also, annoyingly, often the same dang people who complain about how their favorite isn't in the lineup. Which is it, guys? You hate the DPs or wish they included your favorite because that's the only way they'll be cool?

-people always pitting the DPs against each other in a very negative way in fan art/videos, like those rap videos- which admittedly were pretty funny and for once it was obvious the creator had actually WATCHED the movies before doing it, but it was obvious who her favorites were, and her reasons for the losers losing were kind of poor. Comparing I like doing for analyzing, but I've been trying to not do it in a negative way more. and as I've mentioned many times, it generally happens this way: older Princesses vs. basically all the newer ones. it varies, depending on whose favorite the basher is- Ariel, Mulan, Merida, even Rapunzel, who isn't THAT terribly different in disposition. a lot of the comparing seems to basically be because "well she's too girly which is weak/isn't bad-a enough for me to use as a self-insert!" This is essentially why I started loving the classics in my teens and hating the 90s girls- because 90s fans were so nasty about it.

-and, well, pretty much every mean thing people have said about the Classics but you guys have heard all that already before. It's scary how hostile, almost violent even, I've seen some people get while talking about them.

I'm tired of hearing that snow white was the end all and be all of Disney. That she is the highlight. I like the movie. I like her voice and her acting skills. The animation is great for the time. Yet something about that movie when I was a kid and even now make me want to turn it off. I think the story line is too flat along with the characters in it. The villain is flat, the 7 dwarfs are duller than dull even when they cry, and the prince...I know only know what he looks like and that he wanted to kiss this dead hot chick he found in the middle of the woods.

I get this one from a lot of classic fans, and it really annoys me. While I do like some of the classics, I am more for the dark era of Disney (Black Cauldron, Robin Hood, Oliver and Company) and beyond, particularly the renassiance. However, whenever I say anything about the classic DPs or their movies being flawed, I get a lot of people going on about how "I just don't understand what a true masterpiece is" and who continue to ramble about how nobody appreciates the true classics anymore. Not so much anymore, but I used to see a lot of people on here who would kind of talk about Renaissance lovers in a sort of arrogant way, like if we believe that some of the classics are bland "we don't truly understand" or whatever. I see why some people like the classics, but just because they are the originals it doesn't automatically mean they are better than some of the renassiance masterpieces.

- Classic Era movies are anti-woman because DPs need rescuing by princes.
I don't really get what's anti-woman girl being saved by a loving gentleman, especially when it's beyond the power of any human to save himself( yeah, Snow White was wrong for being that naive but Aurora is nothing to blame for: her being hypnotized wasn't a result of any of Aurora's mistakes or flaws and it was beyond her power to save herself than). I find the idea of pairing Purity Sues with troubled, jerkish guys way more anti-woman.

- Belle is uptight/prim/level-headed/not rebellious.
Belle isn't uptight, she is at least somewhat childish. She loves fairytales and talks about them excitedly. It looks like people attribute this to her personality because books are associated with seriousness but they ignore what are these books. Yes, Belle may be relatively low in Most Childish DP list but it doesn't mean much in her case.
Belle isn't particularly level-headed and not above impulsive and risky acts. She went to the West Wing and then escape from the castle. Cinderella is more level-headed, this is why she stayed with Tremaine that long, despite getting terrible treatment.
Belle and Ariel often seem as dissimiliar DPs due to having very different relationship between fathers( and it's quite common to believe Belle would dislike Ariel because of her troubled relationship with Triton). I believe those differences are more a result of difference between Maurice and Triton who are way more dissimiliar characters than thei rrespective daughters. It's natural that Belle is less rebellious towards her dad because he isn't restrictive towards her at all. Belle clearly hates to be controlled, yelled at, commanded. Her interactions with Beast makeit clear. Sure, people tend to be more forgiving and tolerant of their parents than of strangers, especially prisoners but I don't think Belle would have peaceful relationship with Triton who has traits she dislikes about the Beast the most and also is xenophobic, predjuiced which is another Belle's pet peeve. Yes, Belle wouldn't act exactly like Ariel in Ariel's situation( she is less impulsive and risky which doesn't really means much) but she clearly wouldn't be an obedient daughter.

- All DPs should be Caucasian and flawless both inside and out! POCs ruin fairytale atmosphere!

The bunch about Mulan:
- Mulan is masculine, hates dresses, should be merchandised in the armor instead of matchmaker dress because she felt more comfortable in armor and she would hate Classic DPs.
Mulan is actually humble, polite,soft-spoken and peaceful, not brash or cocky at all. And I love it because it's not so common for female warriors and "strong female character" to have such traits.
Concerning clothing, Mulan is definetely not a person who would want to look very polished daily but she is definetely doesn't hate dresses. She didn't join army because she find life of warrior interesting and joyful. Sure, she partially joined to proof herself but that's because it's the only other way to bring honor in her society, other than please the Matchmaker. Mulan may not feel well in her Matchmaker outfit but that's because it was uncomfortable and mostly because too much make-up covered her individuality. She didn't feel herself in the armor either and fit in the army because of her adaptability and because the fear to dishonor herself for the second time added her determination, not because she liked that place. I can understand people who would say that green dress or blue dress represent Mulan better but the armor isn't any better than Matchmaker dress.

- Mulan covering her gender makes makes her untrustworthy and Shang wasn't wrong for treating her that way after the reveal.
Telling untruth isn't always bad thing to do, not when it's to save other's life. The sacrifies Mulan did proof that she a billion times more trustworthy than people who never lie.

- Ming-Na Wen is the best possible choice for Mulan in live-action remake.
It makes me think of Ming-Na as overrated actress. I can understand those who think that Ming-Na USED TO be the best choice for live-action Mulan in 90s or even at the beginning of 2000s. I strongly disagree with this opinion either( personally I would prefer Lucy Liu for Mulan in 90s because to me Liu bests in every criteria possible) but at least I can understand them. But Ming-Na being the better choice for live-action Mulan than every Chinese actress who is in 20s in 30s to date? No, just no. I don't think Ming-Na is even capable to pass for woman in early 30s, let alone teenager. To be fair, I don't know any actress in 50s who is able, even the most youthful ones and the ones I adore( yes, including Lucy Liu, I love her but she is not fitting to play Mulan anymore either).

- Ting-Ting, Mei and Su should be officially a part of line-up instead of Mulan because they are royalty!
Don't get me wrong, I love this trio and consider them excellent sideckicks but the keyword is "sidekicks". They appear only in the sequel, are its supporting characters( Jasmine may not be a protagonist but she is the female lead, while these three aren't), the sequel is unpopular( and not so unfairly unpopular, to me it's watchable and not without enjoyable aspects but still not nowhere near the any of DP first movies) and they are not unique enough, they contribute anything new to the line-up( their story and goal is too much like Jasmine's, the most unique thing about them is their love interests not being classically handsome, while Mulan has way more unique story and I believe that line-up needs diversity). I don't think the main and titular character of the entire franchise who has a unique story should be replaced in line-up by sidekicks from (not so unfairly) unpopular sequel whose story isn't that unique.

"Elsa ran away from her problems "

No she didn't! She ran away after her powers were revealed because

1. She was told at a young age that people would kill her
2. She wasn't taught how to control her powers or use them properly so her magic was just shooting out
3. She was scared she was going to hurt people like she accidentally hurt Anna when they were kids
4. She was scared

She didn't go back to Arendelle after she found out she accidentally froze it because, honestly, what the heck is she supposed to do? She flat out said she doesn't know how and had a breakdown, if she were to go back without knowing how to fix it she probably would have made it worse without meaning to

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"Elsa and Anna don't look that different! Disney is just being lazy!"
They're SISTERS. There's siblings out there who look alike. I look a lot like my older sister and my little sister

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Random comments like "This movie is better than that movie". If no one is talking about Frozen why are you comparing it? If no one is talking about Lion King why are you comparing it?

Girls who say "I m not like Cinderella , i dont wait for prince charming i can rescue myself"

Also I saw a lot of comments "In the brother Grimm story sleeping beauty is rape"
Not thats not in the brother Grimm version not even in Charles Perrault's story but in the old italian story who is not even call sleeping beauty.

"Disney princes have no personality"

"Eric fall in love with Vanessa"

The classic "ariel change for a man "

"Jasmine and rapunzel would get a long very well because they both wants freedom" i think they could be great friends but all the disney princess wants freedom so its not a really a strong argument.

."maleficent is a great movie because it show that not everything is black and white"
OK then why was King Stephan the villain in the movie ?

"Disney princess have bad influence on little girls"

"The Revival movies are too formulaic."

I haaate hearing this when it's meant to rag on the Revival era and bolster the Classic and Renaissance eras as if they were some paragons of originality. Every era is formulaic, they just have different formulas. Here, I'll lay them out:

Classic Era Formula
Protagonist is unhappy with her life due to villain, who has it out for her > Protagonist meets handsome stranger, love at first sight > Happy dancing/singing > Villain nearly triumphs > Protagonist's friends save her > Handsome stranger turns out to be a prince > Happily ever after

Renaissance Era Formula
Protagonist has a decent life, but wants more; meanwhile, villain is power hungry > Circumstances push protagonist to choose to leave her old life for a new one > Protagonist meets handsome stranger who embodies what she wants in life > Happy dancing/singing > Villain nearly triumphs > Protagonist and/or handsome stranger save the day > Happily ever after

Revival Era Formula
Protagonist is a strong independent woman who has a Dream (TM) > Selfish/greedy villain gets in the way of the Dream (TM) > Protagonist determinedly pursues dream despite all odds, and finds love along the way > Happy dancing/singing > Villain nearly triumphs > Protagonist saves the day > Happily ever after and realization of Dream (TM)

Some of these checkpoints need to be tweaked slightly (Beast isn't handsome) or the order changed a bit (Ariel meets her handsome stranger before she chooses a new life) or even removed all together (Snow always knew her handsome stranger was a prince), depending on the movie, but overall these are the basic formulas for each of the eras. They are all very predictable, and none are more formulaic than the others.

"Moana said she's not a princess that means Disney is insulting princesses"
Okay by that logic Lilo was insulting princesses when she didn't want to dress like one in the Halloween episode of Lilo and Stitch the series. If a heroine isn't a princess and she says she isn't one how does it insult the princesses?

- Belle wasn't nice enough to Beast!
She owes nothing to her captor. He put the life of her beloved father in danger, he imprisoned her( she willingly sacrificed herself but a good person would never accept such sacrifice), he didn't even let her say goodby to her father, he destroyed her life. He doesn't deserve to be treated nicely. People should be allowed to hate those who destroy their lives

"Frozen is the greatest Disney movie!"

Just because it has the song Let it Go and Disney shoves it in our faces doesn't mean it's the greatest movie. Frozen was okay, not that great, but okay

There are a lot of people who say and even gets mad :
" beast's name is not Adam he doesnt have a name"

Since he doesnt have a name I dont see what is wrong with a name giving by the fans.

Not a particular thing, just how in general (not anyone here, just in my experience) that Renaissance fans are usually really entitled and self centered about their era. I know no fandom's perfect but my gosh, some of them get so mad if you say anything positive about the Revival or Classic movies or characters like, how very dare you think those are as good or better than the bestest era ever??

I know I complain about revival fans but I prefer them. It's mostly Those Fans that act like the previous DPs are anti feminist and monolithic in personality, but otherwise they tend to appreciate complexity in heroines and many respect the Classics. Renaissance-era fans however, tend to be really unnecessarily rude toward other fandoms.

All Disney sequels are poorly made and are just trash. I mean, there are plenty of bad ones but there are plenty of good ones. Some are even better than the original and have a lot of heart and effort put into them. I mean, in the case of Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure, the people who worked on it were HUGE fans of the original and one director actually related to it because of how he had a younger brother that was a runaway like Scamp but was still a good kid.

Walt Disney hated the idea of sequels. I mean, he didn't wanna cash in on sequels, but he wasn't against them. He actually wanted to do sequels to Fantasia but couldn't because of how the film was so expensive to make. He also had planned for a sequel to Lady and the Tramp that centered around Scamp while he was still working on the original movie. I guess it just didn't turn into much of anything aside from Scamp's comic strips, that is, until Scamp's Adventure came into existence.

I hate this character because they're from a sequel and that's a good enough reason!

*Insert name of heroine/princess here* Is different from the past Disney women because she's not waiting around to be saved and doesn't just want a man. Disney has been using that line ever since The Little Mermaid came out and with every new one they say that exact thing. There's no need to trash past characters in order to make a character seem great. This also applies to people that don't work for Disney and will just say this, despite how ignorant and inaccurate the statement is.

Merida is strong because she doesn't have a man to constantly save her, doesn't get married, and can shoot an arrow with her bow. Yeah, except that she's constantly getting saved by her mother and her five-year-old brothers a lot more times than any of the other princesses had to be saved. Plus, she looks down on feminine things and acts like an annoying stereotype of a feminist tomboy. Just because she doesn't have a man, doesn't make her strong. Plus, she was willing to let others suffer just to make herself happy, even making a joke about expecting war.

When someone Say : "that Disney character is Boring" as if it is a fact and everyone should consider that character Boring. I dont get why people cannot Say "that character doesnt really interest me this is only my opinion" i personally find belle not that much interesting while i enjoy every moment of aurora on screen but i m not gonna Say " belle is Boring " like this is a fact this is only my taste.

This isn't quite something the Disney fandom says per se, but what they often post. On Youtube, there's almost always a theory video in my recommended with one or more of the following:

- Clickbait title (examples: "Secrets about <Disney movie> that Disney doesn't want you to know"; "Things in <Disney movie> that you didn't notice")
- An arrow pointing somewhere, but in a screenshot from a scene unrelated to what the video talks about
- A very obviously edited screenshot of a character looking shocked

I've watched some of this stuff and it's not all bad, but the way they make their videos look and sound just from the title and thumbnail annoy me. xD

I can't stand the way most fandoms brush off a character's abuse or blame a victim for being a victim.

One example being Cinderella because I've seen/heard a bunch of people blame her for letting her stepfamily treat her so harshly and for not just leaving.

And there's characters who act abusive and people just brush it off as "Well this person has a good reason" or "That person still loves the person they're mistreating" By that logic it's okay for me to talk down to my husband because I still love him or it's okay for me to just smash my nephew's toys because I'm just punishing him

One example is when people say Mother Gothel "clearly" loved Rapunzel when there's been several hints in the movie that Mother Gothel cared more about Rapunzel's hair. In fact Tangled the series shows that Rapunzel has ptsd and when Mother Gothel appears in a dream Rapunzel gets scared and in one ep when Rapunzel had to go back to the tower she clearly gets scared again

Another example is when Triton just destroys Ariel's collection and we don't actually see him apologizing. Yes, he does show remorse but he still never actually apologized for what he did

I’m so tired of hearing people say they hate a character for reasons that aren’t even justifiable.
“I hate Ariel because she changed herself for a man”
No she didn’t! She wanted to be on land long before she met Eric!

“I don’t like Cinderella because she was weak and didn’t stand up for herself”
Congrats you just did some victim blaming

“I don’t like the classic princesses because they don’t fight like Mulan did”
Just because a girl doesn’t pick up a sword her entire movie doesn’t mean she’s worth less than a woman who does

I could go on

This has been bugging me forever and it’s not just the Disney fandom.

I really hate how there’s fans who act so superior because they hate a popular movie or they love an underrated movie. If you don’t like The Lion King or Beauty and the Beast or Frozen, okay, whatever but you shouldn’t talk down to people who do, and there’s people who get mad at others for preferring remakes or sequels over the originals.

And then there’s fans who attack others for not liking the same movies as them, or characters, or ships, etc

To put it simply, they act like total Brian Griffins from Family Guy

The slut-shaming is so ridiculous in these fandoms. If a woman likes to pole dance she is not a slut, if she wears clothes that show her stomach she is not a slut, even if she’s been with more than one guy she is not a freaking slut. I’m so sick of people calling characters like Esmeralda, Jasmine, and Jessica Rabbit a slut just because of their appearances and because one of them pole dances

I find it very annoying when "Jasmine and Merida shouldn't be criticized so much for their recklessness/selfishness/rudeness/short temper. They deserve more love. Princesses should be allowed to have flaws" and "Classics are way too passive to me" comes from the same person. So, having problems with rudeness or selfishness means demanding perfection from princesses and not allowing them having flaws but having problems with passivity doesn't mean the same?

Not really so much saying, just mostly doing.

As much as I love seeing characters in the Disney Parks, I hate the way older fans act like they're meeting the real people. I'm not saying it's wrong the way older fans get excited to see Mickey and giving him a big hug or anything because, come on, it's Mickey. It's when fans talk about personal stuff to a complete stranger, like telling Elsa "I stopped hurting myself because of you" (not an exaggeration, someone has for real done this) and then get upset if the actors are uncomfortable.

While it's awesome to see Mickey or Marie or Ariel and you just want to let your inner child out, people need to remember these are real people playing characters. There's nothing wrong with saying "I loved your movie!" or "I've always wanted to meet you!" but if you're bringing up personal stuff you normally wouldn't tell a random person, then you're making the actor playing the character uncomfortable and then they're most likely going to lay at bed late at night thinking about what you said

I'm sick of fans trying to pass off fan theories as canon. I don't care which one it is; there's the Pixar theory, the 'Scrooge and Goldie had sex in the cabin' theory, the 'Doofenshmirtz is really Phineas and Candace's dad' theory, the 'Anna and Elsa are related to Tarzan and Belle' theory and the list just goes on and on.

And of course some reeeeally dumb ones that don't make any sense with the contexts of story. Those include classics like the 'Grumpy secretly wants to have sex with Snow White' theory' and 'Scrooge and Minnie have some inappropriate going on' theory. And then probably the one that makes the least sense is the 'Roger and Cruella used to date but he dumped her for Anita and she stole the dogs to get back at him' theory With those, especially the last one I have to ask, "Did you even watch it?"

Sorry about my rant, but I just think some of these theories are crazy, and the fact that people will get offend if you don't believe them just makes them even more ridiculous. Anyway, I don't care if you have fan theory or a head canon about a character or franchise. But unless it's declared to be the new official canon quit acting like it is official.

I wish fans would realize that who is and isn’t in the Disney Princess franchise isn’t common knowledge. I’ve seen people get mad because Mulan was in the franchise while Elsa and Anna weren’t because for a lot of people if a character is a princess in a Disney movie then she’s automatically a Disney Princess. But then I’ve also seen fans get mad at other fans for mistaking Elsa and Anna as Disney Princesses. I still remember my first poll here was about Disney Princess moms and I included Kida’s mom, Mia’s mom, Nala, etc because I was one of those fans who thought that any Disney princess was in the franchise and I still remember a lot of fans here getting mad at me for it. If someone makes that mistake it’s not hard to just simply correct them without being rude about it

"I don't understand how anyone can like [insert movie/character/song here]"

Really? Even after a lot of people probably said why they like it you still don't "understand"? If you don't like something, just say it! It makes more sense than being told more than once and still use the "I don't understand" excuse

Prince hans [ insert famous mental disorder] is one he show all the signs"
Its annoying like people just say he is manipulative he has no empathy for anna OMG he is one like they are not even psychiatrist they dont even bothers makes actual research in fact they didnt even took all the information we have about him in the movie but the one they like.😄

Also anna and elsa are rapunzel cousins

Frozen 2 is much more mature than frozen 1 i really dont think so the first one was not that childish on the contrary (well to me)

The one negative comment about Avengers: Endgame that makes me roll my eyes the most is how Steve shouldn't have been with Peggy in the end and should have stayed with Bucky (their OTP)

It's so hypocritical because I remember when all the Captain America movies were released fans felt so sad for Steve for not being able to have that dance with Peggy, his interaction with her as an old woman, and him at her funeral but then once he's finally with her again they're mad that their Steve/Bucky ship didn't happen. On tumblr I actually saw a gif set of Steve watching Peggy in Endgame and some users said it looked like a scene from a horror movie

I'm bi and I would love to see more LGBTQ+ representation in Disney properties that aren't reduced to just background characters or characters who are treated as jokes but I think it's so stupid to attack a straight couple just because your gay ship didn't happen. He had a great relationship with both of them and he was clearly still in love with Peggy in the end

How Disney haters still seem really fixated on Disney. "Oh, Disney is SO childish, my tastes are too refined for those baby movies. *anime noblewoman's laugh* That's why I talk nonstop about everything Disney and insult Disney fans instead of just enjoying the movies I DO like."

"If Disney makes a fat princess it'll encourage kids to get fat!"
That's funny, because when I was a kid I read a ton of Garfield comics, watched Shrek a lot, loved fat Disney characters like Mr. Smee, Gus, Pacha, and that one Muse from Hercules and I never thought "Gee, I want to get fat now!" It actually made me feel better about my body type.

This is also hypocritical because when we get skinny characters like Anna talking about loving candy and sandwiches it's seen as a funny quirk. It's only bad if the character isn't skinny as a twig, I guess...

Totally agree with many things you guys said. Here are others what I am tired of others saying about Disney:

"Why is every Disney Princess have a missing mother?"

-Not all of them are motherless. Aurora, Mulan, Merida, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Moana have mothers. In the original source content, they were motherless and orphans as well. Sometimes it's necessary for the Disney character to be an orphan or have a single parent because it partially explains why they have a hard knock life and creates story potential. If Ariel's mother were alive, she would smooth hangs between Triton and Ariel. If Elsa and Anna's parents were alive, they would prevent Anna from her ill fated romance with Hans. If Cinderella's mother were alive , well, there'd be no movie.

Another thing that I am tired of hearing about is when people blame Disney (or even Hollywood in general) for giving them wrong expectations or ideas about love and marriage. It's not just from Disney fans or Disney naysayers, it's also from psychologists, radio talk show hosts, educators, or marriage counsellors or youth pastors.

-I am sorry that you got confused but you shouldn't hold a family-friendly cartoon responsible for your lack of love life or ruined love life-it's irresponsible and immature. It's also not fair that I can't enjoy my favorite Disney films just because one of them gave you wrong expectations of love and marriage. Haven't you consider that maybe it Aang Disney's fault? Maybe it's your parents' fault for not sitting down and telling you the difference between reality and fantasy. Maybe it's your parents' fault for not telling you that a happily ever after marriage is possible-it requires more hard work and commitment than what fairy tale movies showed. Maybe it's your own fault for not realizing that Disney films are supposed to be escapism/entertainment (like Bollywood movies), not reality tv. I was lucky because my mom told me the difference between reality and unreality when after watching Peter Pan, I really thought that children can fly with pixie dust. And she, along with my father, told me no daring in high school so I was spared from the typical high school dating drama. Observing my sister's dates from high school also convinced me and my brothers to put romance on hold because none of them lasted for more than a year. I was also at a girls high school so no chance of dating there. In my senior year, I transferred to a a coed high school. A few guys asked me out but I turned them down because I was a senior-why waste your time with me when you are better off with someone else? It also helps to hear about love stories based on real life couples (how your parents met, how your aunt met your uncle, etc.) so you can see that everybody's love story is different but they all got their happily ever after. Besides, Disney writers are limited to an hour in each movie to portray romance that will give audiences the feels and their payoff. Had the Disney movies been two hours long, I am sure we would see a longer progress of a couple's romance.

I’m so tired of this bs. Two years ago I’d probably agree with this but this is so unfair to the other princesses who have saved other people like Ariel saved Eric, Belle saved Beast, Pocahontas saved John and stopped a war, Rapunzel saved Eugene, Anna saved Elsa, and Moana saved the world. And it’s unfair to act like just because most of the princesses needed saving they aren’t as awesome as the ones who saved themselves (except I’m wondering where this person got the idea of Merida saving herself from since that was all Elinor)

When people hate on Disney remakes like Jungle Book and Lady and the Tramp for being different and then love remakes like The Lion King for being exactly the same

I dont think this is something a lot of people are tired because this is very specifical to my personal taste and this is not something that poeple said but do , but i m tired of the culture of relatability with the dp , trying to relate ALL the times with the disney princess i mean i prefer disney princess being treat for who they are fictional character and not extension of the viewer. That something big in the disney fandom ! Because relate to a disney princess is something normal for viewer but sometimes i just feel like this is too much. I think that extreme culture of relatability is the cause of the cinderella hate. We tell all the times little girl that they can relate to fictional character only because they share the same gender that when they grew up they dont see cinderella for she really is.

They dont see that cinderella is a little girl that have be put through mental , emotional, verbal , financial and i think also physical abuse.
They dont see a little girl that have been all her life enslave and opressed.
They dont see a figure of child abuse.
They see a fictional character that is a woman and therefore a fictional character they can relate to. So thats how since they cant relate for most of them to the abuse trope they tried to do it with the prince charming trope. Thats how cinderella got some harsh critiscm from thousand woman who put down a victim of abuse to empower themselve by saying " me i dont need prince charming i m not like cinderella i dont want to wait around like her for my prince charming i can save myself"
I dont know how true my reasoning is but it really annoy be the extreme relatability there are like keira knightley forbidding her daughter to watch cinderella *rolled my eyes* There is something extremely pretentious and annoying about that to me .

I am tired of people saying that the classic princesses did nothing and were all waiting for a prince to rescue them. I am sure this has been brought up before, but I am still hearing it so frequently that I thought I would share my thoughts on it.

Cinderella didn't even know she danced with the prince. She just wanted to go to a party and have fun for once.

Snow White was smart enough to work in order to be allowed to stay in hiding with the dwarfs. She only ate the apple to not hurt the old lady's feelings who was just acting sick and helpless. I'd probably do the same, honestly.

Aurora wasn't "stupid enough to touch a spindle." She was literally under a spell. She didn't even know she met the prince and she did her duty as a princess by leaving him. She was also smart enough to not meet Phillip alone. She wanted him to meet her family.

When fans try to make excuses for their behavior.

"I was bullied so it's okay for me to attack your for liking/disliking something"

"It's okay for me to say this because [insert flimsy reason here]"

"You like this character I hate so that means I hate you"

"Oh my god stop shoving this Disney character in our faces in this Disney spot!"

Some of these things could be good reasons for having a bad attitude but if I have to walk on eggshells because you love a movie or character so much that you'll jump down my throat for saying something even remotely negative about it, then that's just toxic as hell.

That'd be like if someone said "I love Pinocchio!" and I went on a rant about how much I hated that movie because of whatever reason when really I could just say "Meh, not my cup of tea"

-Nothing in particular they say, but the way Elsa fans have a tendency to make Anna content all about Elsa, as well as their really obnoxious treatment of Anna as Elsa's emotional support dog. Elsa is not the center of the universe.

-Fans acting like the most popular movies (Mulan, BatB, etc.) are above reproach. I find this is generally true for the whole 90s/early 2000s era fandom actually. Not everyone thinks all of those movies wre perfect or enjoys them. It doesn't mean people hate them. It's especially annoying because the Classic and Revival eras get plenty of criticism.

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-"The parents in Frozen were abusive!" as if only Iduna and Agnarr (who still had their kids' best interest in mind) are the only ones who made mistakes. Blame the trolls who scared them, blame Ahtohallen for starting the mess in F2, blame Elsa for ignoring Anna when she didn't have to and then manipulating her in the sequel. The parents aren't the only ones who caused harm, and people treat them like they're on Frollo or Tremaine's level.

-Tiana fans (I'm not even sure I'd call them that) who act like she would hate the other more dreamy princesses. Have you met Tiana's friends? They're all dreamers. I remember someone did a Tiana x Cinderella pic and some fan rudely hijacked it just to say she's "too good" for Cinderella and should be with Mulan or Merida instead. Yes, Merida, who hates living by rules and wants adventures and has serious family conflict. I'm not even sure about Mulan either, at least pre-development. It's like they just love Tiana for shallow reasons and don't understand her personality or wants at all.

-Demanding that a non DP like Nala, Alice, Sally, Meg, etc be added to the lineup. There's reasons why they aren't and Disney is never gonna budge. Half of them aren't even princesses (we know why Mulan is an exception, she's a war hero who got socially elevated), some don't have songs or an appropriately princessy outfit Disney can sell dolls with, and Nala isn't even human.

I m kind of tired of people who pretend killing elsa was an attrocities in frozen 1. Of course it Will be sad but she froze her whole kingdom everyone was gonna died if young kids babies didnt already died. The duke said it it was getting colder and colder by the minutes and if they dont do something soon they are all gonna froze to death. Hans ask Her to bring back summer and she said that she cant so what are they suppose to do wait to die slowly ? by this point of the story it dont really need an evil murderous prince to tried to kill her. Like she did set her kingdom in an emergency just like maleficent and ursula in sleeping beauty and the little mermaid the difference is that now the witch is sympathetic and didnt mean it. The movie kinda trick you in only caring for the sisters fate But all this people in arendelle were going to died and it the end if hans never tried to kill elsa this is what would have happen. Frozen 2 Confirm they all would have been saved by the death of elsa.

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I hate when people diss Merida. I know she made a big oopsie and turned her mom into a bear etc, but people go so far as to call her a weakling/coward without much proof. I feel like a lot of people are tomboyphobic or just don't understand her. She reacted harshly to having her prized possession thrown in the fire by her own mom. She didn't know what was going to happen.

I'm also tired of people treating Cinderella like she deserved her torment or that she's not strong willed. Cindy really didn't know better, I mean how much of the world has she seen? The Fact that she was able to control her emotions so well disproves the "women are emotionally weak" lie that men make up as they hide their own emotions for fear of being judged. Cindy has my approval for sure, and in the sequels she beat up a guy so

BoycottDisney or CancelDisney becoming a trend because Disney fired some actress

Sorry your favorite character isn’t in Mandalorian anymore but if you can get fired for breaking rules repeatedly and for spouting some questionable stuff at any job, then it should happen to a celebrity too

Boycott Mulan is annoying, the Hong Kong protesters started the riot by resorting to violent!

We have boycotted Mulan in my country as we do not allow anything Chinese. We are at war.

Whenever someone says they want a Disney character who is LGBTQ+, disabled, a POC, on the spectrum, etc and there's always some moron who is against that idea because somehow that'd be the only thing about the character. I mean, Toph from Avatar the Last Airbender is blind but that's not the only thing about her! And in The Little Mermaid tv series there was a mermaid who was deaf and mute! It's not hard to create a character with a personality outside of being gay or having ADHD or anything like that