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Debate Polls in the Time of Coronavirus: Would you report a BUSINESS you believe to be violating the government's shut-down and stay-at-home orders?

13 fans picked:
Yes.
   54%
No.
   46%
 DarkSarcasm posted over a year ago
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DarkSarcasm picked No.:
Business: Mind your own.
posted over a year ago.
 
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misanthrope86 picked Yes.:
Absolutely, and I won't be shopping with them or using their services again.
posted over a year ago.
 
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ThePrincesTale picked Yes.:
Ehh probably. I don't like the thought of snitching but if some business was just recklessly squishing 80 people into a room for the $$$ then they deserve the fine soz.

My state hasn't fined any individuals yet but they link a AUD $10K (USD $6K) fine to one restaurant franchisee for being open after multiple days' warning that they were actually gonna enforce it:
Commissioner Patton said that when questioned on Saturday night, the staff at the Fitzroy restaurant "weren't cooperative, they refused to say how long they had been open and they refused to state why they were open"

I feel for small business owners, but:
1. People's actual lives are more important than profits;
2. The economy is gonna be in worse shape anyway if (god forbid) people are dropping dead and the hospital system is collapsing; and
3. We have a pretty good social security net in this country. What's more, the govt just announced a wage subsidy plan, where affected businesses are given $$1,500 per fortnight per employee to help pay the wages of about 7 million Australians for six months. It's an attempt to put much of the economy (esp the service economy) in 'hibernation' and have businesses/jobs emerge intact at the end of all this. So there's that. Stay goddamn closed.
posted over a year ago.
 
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misanthrope86 picked Yes.:
^ Funnily, I haven't heard many (if any?) cases of small businesses in NZ that have defied the lockdown, except for the grey area of in-store supermarket cafes who kept going when they shouldn't have, but mainly because they thought they were exempt because they were inside supermarkets that are allowed to be open. Big businesses, however, have been pricks. There are instances of large companies telling their employees they would be working through the lockdown, without protective equipment or increased cleaning measures, and any employee who refused to work would be fired. Plenty of instances of large businesses trying to class themselves as essential in order to stay open. Whereas small businesses have seemed to have understood the need to shut up shop in order to get through the rough patch quicker. I could just be that small businesses that defy the lockdown are less noticeable in their disobedience, but I think it also says something about how large businesses are so much more precarious that they appear because their money is distributed in excess at the top of their hierarchies and not enough money actually goes into maintaining the business.
posted over a year ago.
 
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ThePrincesTale picked Yes.:
^Lol makes a lot of sense, and yeah for the most part small businesses have seen the need to lockdown and shut down without complaint. As for large companies, well... I have friends who were going into work until this week. The Aus govt also made the meek little suggestion "maybe you should perhaps reconsider giving out large executive bonuses this year... if you want?".

At least the UK's central bank has put its foot down and told the main banks that they can't pay dividends out to shareholders this year, so hopefully they'll keep some cash and won't have to be bailed out by the taxpaer for £500 billion (see: 2008 GFC). Apparently the banks very much fought against it though, coz they're shitheads. Hopefully other countries follow suit with the "keeping banks afloat is more important than some cash money $$$ for shareholders right now" theme.
posted over a year ago.
 
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zanhar1 picked Yes.:
Lmao business have no problem screwing employees over, I'd have no problem screwing them over.
posted over a year ago.
 
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ThePrincesTale picked Yes.:
^Ha. Even more so for shitty landlords. Some dude called up the radio yesterday to have a tantrum - he was a 42-year old self-retired landlord with nine investment properties, complaining that half his tenants had lost their jobs and weren't paying rent this month, and where was his help from the government for his lost rental payments?? Also, he asked, how can I make my tenants pay their rent if I'm not allowed to evict them anymore??

People have become very comfortable with the idea that investment properties don't have investment risks. Wakeup call, no investment is or should be risk-free. You took the risk, now bear the losses #MakeMarketsRiskyAgain

Also, shouldn't landlords have saved some money up for a rainy day, like they're expecting tenants to have done? Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps landlords /s
posted over a year ago.
 
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zanhar1 picked Yes.:
^ Nah man, trust your instinct. As mentioned on the other poll, I've heard first hand accounts of businesses knowingly violating new safety laws. Amusement parks seem like the worst culprits; caring neither for employees nor patrons.
posted over a year ago.