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Debate Do you think there are enough non-white characters in the media (like in films and shows and such)?

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It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others
   68%
There aren't as many as there could be, but there isn't a lack of them either
   23%
No, there's hardly any representation of minority groups in the media
   5%
Yes, there are a ton of characters of different ethnicities
   5%
 zanhar1 posted over a year ago
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tamore picked There aren't as many as there could be, but there isn't a lack of them either :
Also some get more representation that others... Some groups are more ignored, like Filipinos, and all are pretty stereotyped when they do appear in the media. Ya got your Mexican cleaning lady and your fat sassy black friend. Where's the diversity among the minority groups? Where's the accuracy? There's nowhere near enough equal or accurate representation. Quantity and quality are seriously lacking
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uploaded900 picked There aren't as many as there could be, but there isn't a lack of them either :
Nonwhite characters are still greatly outnumbered by white characters
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zanhar1 picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
@uploaded pretty much. But I think to say there's no representation is a lie.

@tamore I can agree with that. Quality of the representation is important too. However I do think there are still some pretty good ones. Like Exant, there's some quality. Lost has a pretty diverse cast and there aren't many stereotypes. Once Upon a Time does pretty well with that as well.
However I do believe there are some groups that could use more representation. Native Americans to name one.
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scarletunicorn picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
Yeah, this is my choice. Frankly latinos that aren't Mexican should be featured much more.
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MelodyLaurel picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
@zanhar1: How is OUAT doing well in terms of representation? IMO, it's got to be one of the worst shows in terms of representation, be it race or sexuality.
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zanhar1 picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
They have a black Rapunzle and Ursula; both of which got their happy endings. They had Tamara, though she had a poor fate. They had Mulan (I don't know where she's at now but they didn't say she was leaving the show). They have Jafar in OUAT in Wonderland. Regina is Latina and she's one of the most loved by the fandom. Yeah the writers screw her over the most but that's because she's one of the mains and the mains always have to deal with a lot of bull crap.

Now sexuality is a different matter. That's where I think they could use some help. But I like the show no less.
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scarletunicorn picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
Regina's actress is Latina but she's still a white woman. White latinos exist, you know.
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zanhar1 picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
Was that some unneeded sass I was sensing? No actually, I didn't so--if you didn't mean for that to come off in a sassy way--thanks for informing me.

On the matter of Regina's race I can't even count the number of times I've seen users on tumblr yell at people for 'whitewashing' Regina. But then again tumblr clearly isn't the most reliable source. However Lana herself stated (in interviews) that "the queen is Latina". In which case that's her word against Adam and Eddy's. And I don't think they've said anything on the matter either way so...
But as you mentioned there are white-Latinos (so I'll take your word for it).
In relation to this poll I guess that would mean it's all about how you view it personally; do you consider a white Latina a form of representation?

Either which way, I still adore her character.
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scarletunicorn picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
I'm sorry, but i'm just tired that tumblr constantly goes around saying the only "true latinos" are the dark skinned ones and that everyone else needs to go die. Honestly don't listen to anything tumblr SJWs, the majority of them are a bunch of spoiled bratty american/british kids who have never gone to a South American country and only judge latinos based on the immigrants and the horrible media they watch.

(I honestly think it's a horrible idea to place America's "race spectrum" ideology in other countries, because other countries deal with race issues in a whole different way than the USA does. Like, white latinos, in their countries, are considered white by themselves and by dark skinned latinos, asian latinos, black latinos... None of this "POC" tumblr thingy where tumblrinas think the palest latino is "Not a cracker mayo bitch". Lol no.)

I do think a white latina is a form of representation, tbh. While there are white latinos, most of them can't connect with the typical white american/european characters featured in fiction, since in South America there are different cultures, languages, thoughts, traditions, etc etc than the ones that happen in the USA. High schools in South America aren't like they are in the USA. We listen to different music as well as the typical American one. The only thing white latinos have in common with white Americans is the color of the skin, but honestly it's not really much.

(That's kinda why I don't mind Honey Lemon being latina, because 1) white latina girls do exist and they don't get featured in American media at all (they are in Latino media, but that's an issue/subject for another day) 2) she's not a stereotype. Instead of being sexual, rude and sassy (like all latina girls are portrayed to be in media) she's smart, friendly and funny. That's going in the right direction imo.)

I think it's a good representation if like, they actually comment on Regina's background/culture or something. Nothing stereotypical, but maybe a few comments here and there would be enough, like she lived in Argentina for a few years or something. (Certainly NOT speaking butchered Spanglish or celebrating "Cinco de Mayo" and eating tacos).
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MelodyLaurel picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
Rapunzel: Appeared in one episode that wasn't even about her. She was nothing but a plot device to further Charming's story/character development.

Ursula: Was barely there, left while the other two white queens of darkness stayed and continued their story.

Tamara: She and Greg Mendell are both villains in the same arc, and yet while Greg gets an entire episode fleshing out his backstory and motivation to make him seem sympathetic, the only flashback we've seen of her is to further August's backstory, and she's portrayed as nothing but a lying asshole because of... reasons.

Mulan: Disappeared without any trace, also used as a half-assed way to appease the LGBTQIA+ folks but ends up alone in favor of a happy heterosexual relationship.

There was also Lancelot but he got killed off before we even got to know anything about him.

There was Lily but she got whitewashed. I do understand that white Latinas to exist, but you cannot look at Agnes and tell me she looks anything like an aged up version of Nicole without some serious suspension of disbelief.

Oh, this is a good one: Marian, who was murdered by Regina in the original timeline and her sister in the alternate timeline and most of her scenes turned out to be someone else masquerading as her. Same case as Lancelot.

See what they all have in common: They're all side characters who don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Regina is the only PoC left in the main cast, and one person versus an entire ocean of white people is not representation. Representation doesn't mean, "Oh, there's this one PoC character who appeared in 2 episodes and barely got any screentime or development." That's not how representation works.

Am I missing someone? I literally cannot think of anyone off the top of my head who is not white aside from those aforementioned characters. That's how bad OUAT is in terms of representation. I like the show (well, at least I used to), but it sucks at representation of any kind.
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zanhar1 picked It depends on the ethnic group, some get more representation than others:
@scarlet the only "true latinos" are the dark skinned ones and that everyone else needs to go die.

Just another reason I don't like that lot. For one if you aren't their definition of POC than you're 'not valid' they have this 'my shade of purple is better than yours' thing going on. For seconds anyone who even looks white to them is evil so...

Honestly don't listen to anything tumblr SJWs, the majority of them are a bunch of spoiled bratty american/british kids who have never gone to a South American country and only judge latinos based on the immigrants and the horrible media they watch.

No lie there, I've also assumed a lot of them were also white themselves. I've actually learned that South Africans can be white. No thanks to tumblr, found out because of this band I listen to.

I honestly think it's a horrible idea to place America's "race spectrum" ideology in other countries, because other countries deal with race issues in a whole different way than the USA does.

This is another thing that gets me every time. And when you bring it up it's 'ugh, you must be a white male' as if that invalidates the whole point. Not to mention like half of them have no clue what's actually going on in other countries.

I do think a white latina is a form of representation, tbh. While there are white latinos, most of them can't connect with the typical white american/european characters featured in fiction, since in South America there are different cultures, languages, thoughts, traditions, etc etc than the ones that happen in the USA.

That makes sense. Then Once probably doesn't count there, it doesn't really focus on any specific culture. Unless you consider simply having a diverse cast to be some sort of representation.

Instead of being sexual, rude and sassy (like all latina girls are portrayed to be in media) she's smart, friendly and funny. That's going in the right direction imo.)

I've never seen Big Hero Six (that's where she's from right?) but it sounds cool. And Honey Lemon sounds like a neat character herself. I can agree, there needs to be less stereotyping 'for the lols' and more accuracy.

I think it's a good representation if like, they actually comment on Regina's background/culture or something. Nothing stereotypical, but maybe a few comments here and there would be enough, like she lived in Argentina for a few years or something. (Certainly NOT speaking butchered Spanglish or celebrating "Cinco de Mayo" and eating tacos).

That would be freaking great though. Problem is her background took place in a made up dimension, which makes it hard to comment on where she would have lived. But it would be pretty nifty if they somehow referenced back to the Latina culture with her. I'd imagine Lana would be on board with it. But I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I wonder if Eddy and Adam acknowledge her identity as Latina. Because as I said, they haven't said anything one way or the other, it's just been Lana talking about it.

@Melody I will respond to your comment after work.
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