Liberal Logic

KarbonKopy Homosexuality is not natural! It's a perversion of nature! Just look at Adam and Eve! Women was created for man!

bri-marie How is it a "perversion" of nature if it happens in nature?

KarbonKopy It doesn't happen in nature! And when it does, it's probably the Devil trying to make you think that it's natural and turn you against God.

bri-marie Science has [url="http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx"]proved[/url] that over 1500 animals species practice homosexuality. Which means that they've observed thousands on animals in those species, time and time again, partaking in homosexuality. [url="http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ww0404.htm"]Plants[/url] even have their own form of homosexuality. If the "Devil" is at work, doesn't it make more sense that he's making some humans believe it's wrong so he can incite chaos and pain on others.

KarbonKopy Science has not proved this. And id personally like to believe the creator of the universe over what humans say. No, the Devil is trying to incite chaos through making us tolerant of homosexuality and thus forsaking God.

bri-marie Science has proved it. Do you see how some of the words in my last post are in blue? That's because they're links. Those links are sites that talk about the proof of homosexuality in nature. See, the way I see it is, being negative towards homosexuals is doing far more damage than being positive towards them. God creates everything (unless you're suggesting that Lucifer can create things without God stopping him). God creates everything in his image. God creates animals and plants that partake in homosexuality. God tells people to love everyone and not to judge. Therefore, God created and loves homosexuals. Lucy likes chaos. He likes pain. People being against homosexuality causes pain. Therefore, Lucifer is creating all the anti-homosexual tension. (If you believe in any of that God/Devil stuff, anyway.)

whiteflame55 [i] id personally like to believe the creator of the universe over what humans say. [/i] I think it's funny how many people go by this argument. Let's not talk about the assumption here that everyone should believe in the same god, and therefore that any argument about separate thought processes should go away. Let's also not address the fact that many of the scientifically proven facts that encompass this theory would have to have been created by god and therefore are even likelier to be true. No, let's just talk about one thing: where you're hearing god from. I'm going to guess you're not one of those crazy types that pretends they're listening to god on a two-way radio. I'm thinking you're getting your information from two sources; namely, your pastor and your Bible. Since your pastor is also interpreting the Bible, you're really getting it just from the Bible. Yeah, that book that's been rewritten many times over the course of human history, so many times that many different versions now exist. And that's just the books themselves - the tremendous list of interpretations is endless. But even if I assume the book you're reading was once an accurate translation of the initial Bible, where did the initial Bible come from? The best you can assume is that these are words that came from someone who was transliterating god, which means that in and of itself is an interpretation, and an opportunity for that initial person to write whatever the hell he pleased. So we should believe that book you like so much over all of the scientific evidence that surrounds us? It boggles my mind.

Roxas1314 "And id personally like to believe the creator of the universe over what humans say. " Ironic. Humans wrote the Bible. Not God. And I don't know why people seem to think that me wanting to marry someone has anything to do with their religious views. It doesn't. I just want to be myself and be free of people calling me a sodomite and a whore for being in a monogamous relationship that has absolutely nothing to do with you or your views. You may not like me, but just because I may not like the same things as you do, I don't go around trying to outlaw it because the flying spaghetti monster says so.

misanthrope86 "[i]Is a flamboyant, provocative, highly sexual parade "natural"?[/i]" - Yes it is. Watch some nature shows. Nature loves to get freaky. "[i]Homosexuality is not natural! It's a perversion of nature! Just look at Adam and Eve! Women was created for man! [/i]" - Adam and Eve are not natural, because were created by the minds of [i]men[/i]. - Why do men have nipples? Because the embryonic template is [i]female[/i], not male. Therefore, since we are obviously using extremism here, [b]men are made from women[/b]. You're welcome, men. This image is just another expression of conservative ignorance. I much prefer your Devil to your God anyway, so I say let him bring the "chaos" is that chaos is tolerance and the celebration of humanity.

KarbonKopy "See, the way I see it is, being negative towards homosexuals is doing far more damage than being positive towards them." No, because society now is so accepting of homosexuality it is making more people turn gay and become sinners- it's all in the Devil's agenda. "So we should believe that book you like so much over all of the scientific evidence that surrounds us?" It's about faith, and belief in God. The Bible is the truth, and the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong and perverted, and God's Word is much bigger than scientists' word. You're all saying the Bible is written by humans and stuff, obviously you're not believers at all. "Conservative ignorance"? We'll see who's the ignorant one when we're both standing in front of the Lord, LOL.

misanthrope86 HA. Rather be gay than a bigot who believes in the devil. Homosexuality hasn't increased, the [i]acceptance[/i] of it has, which means more people are open about it than before, not that more gay people exist. The actual incidence of homosexuality probably hasn't changed that much at all over the course of history. God doesn't exist, therefore 'his' word is no better than yours or mine and none of us will be standing at all when we are dead, let alone standing in front of a figment of your imagination.

tiagih So is being gay an emotion thing or a physical thing? If it is emotion based then it def doesn't happen in nature, thus not natural If it is a physical thing then what is wrong with saying that its not the most "ideal" lifestyle choice Just throwing that out there, since that is how

whiteflame55 Karbon, if you believe in everything the Bible tells you, I really have to wonder whether you believe in stoning. Hey, it happened in the Bible, didn't it? Let's reinstitute that shit! And, tell me, do you view women as being completely subservient to men? Based on the Bible, you should! Hell, you should practically be buying your wife, if you haven't already! And since you believe so strongly in the Bible, most of the human race is going to hell because they don't practice the same brand of Christianity as you - including the Jews, which is strange because Jesus was one! Speaking of which, I've got to ask, what type of Christianity do you practice? There are so many types about, after all, which one do you think is right and why?

misanthrope86 ^^ Well, its neither and its both. Emotions don't happen in nature? It might not be an "ideal" way for you to live your life, but it [i]is[/i] the only way many people can live their lives.

KarbonKopy And how exactly does me being a pious god-fearing christian make me a bigot?? And no, more people are choosing to be gay since it's so tolerated in todays corrupted society!! And LOL you don't believe God exists? You're right, you won't be standing in front of the Lord- you'll be kneeling before Satan. I believe in all the Bible. And actually I do believe in the death penalty, so there's no problems there. And yes I guess woman was created from man. And yes sadly, most of the human race is going to hell, since most aren't even true Christians and don't follow Jesus.

misanthrope86 Correction: I'll be standing [i]beside[/i] Satan, helping him poke your soul with a stick for a thousand years or until I get bored. Promoting hatred, fallacies and ignorance makes you a bigot. Which religion you hide behind to do it is irrelevant. No one is going to hell because hell does not exist. So don't worry about it. Just hang out and have fun and stop whining about things that don't exist, like grand-scale homosexual agendas and Jesus, and worrying about things that do exist like people and their right to live life in peace.

bri-marie @tiagih:[i]then it def doesn't happen in nature, thus not natural[/i] So all the research scientists have done over the years is all obsolete because... you don't think animals have emotions? Even though it's been proven that they do by scientists?

KarbonKopy LOL actually I will be in Heaven, no where near Satan and you, because I have been saved by Christ. I am not promoting ignorance or fallacies or any of those things- I'm promoting GOD'S WORD, as set out in Holy Bible. And of course Hell exists, just like Heaven.

misanthrope86 The opinions you are expressing here reflect evil much more than they reflect anything holy. *readies soul-poking stick* Then your god is a bigot and your bible a joke. No heaven, no hell, possibly unicorns.

ThePrincesTale ^Haha Misanthrope xD Soul-poking stick lol... Do you need some help with that?

KarbonKopy Evil?? I'm expressing the Holy Bible. LOL calling your Creator a bigot, how hilarious.

misanthrope86 The way you are choosing to express the bible is evil. The book is just full of words, but what you do with those words matters. Clearly Satan got to you and twisted your interpretation. Your god is not my creator.

KarbonKopy I'm following the Bible closely, and the Bible says homosexuality is wrong! I'm following it more closely than all those liberal christians who don't even believe half the stuff in it, how is my interpretation the evil one?? My God is everyone's and everything's creator, and lol he's going to make you pay for all this bad stuff you're saying about him.

misanthrope86 Because your interpretation incites hatred based on ignorance. You can follow the bible as closely as you want, but when you start persecuting people for not doing the same, you are perpetrating evil. You beliefs aren't anymore correct than mine or anyone else's, no matter how big a boner you have for the bible. Your god does not exist to me. If he had any problem with anything I've said about him, he would have spanked my ass a long time ago. I have no responsibilty to your imaginary friends and I have no responsibilty to your god. I have a responsibility to not be an asshole towards real people who matter.

tiagih @KarbonKopy, though in some ways I agree totally about God opinion about homosexuality but I do think that there is a point in time where you just let people live thier lives. You can't change people and like wise they can't change you, a lot of things that we speculate are all based on theory, nothing really is absolute because we really weren't around when things came to be we can only guess based on repeated testing that comes to the same conclusion. I am only saying this so that you are not throwing pearls before a swine, if people don't want to believe or even care to believe that is fine. There is no need on either party to type with such aggression and sadistic sarcasm over a meme, which I look at as humor to an extent. Not everyone has to agree on everything which is fair.