I think the so-called feud between science and religion is not only infantile, but pointless. There is no reason why they can't coexist. Science does nothing to disprove the existence of God, or God's law, and religious beliefs do not contradict scientific law. They're apples and oranges.
Some people cannot believe in scientific explanations for things because that's not how it was said to have happened in the bible. In my opinion-and I'm not an extremist, so I understand that everyone has their own-there is a scientific explanation for everything-but God created science like everything else, so they are basically one and the same.
yes because each side believes something a little different than the other. like how we all got here some say it was god (like me) others say it was science.
That's a good point, robothor. God did create science as the laws for the Universe. Which is exactly why I don't understand who it contradicts Him and His Word.
JustinBeiber160-- "like how we all got here some say it was god... others say it was science." This is exactly the kind of superficial semantics I was talking about.
As robothor1111 pointed out, God created science. Logically, if God created science, and "some" say that science created the universe, then transitive reasoning allows us to conclude that God created the universe.
It's true that there are quarrels over the exact way, which get's superficial when each side (both the scientist and the theologian) insists that everything must be literal. However, in my opinion, there is a lot of space for scientific theory in the book of Genesis. Recall that God is all powerful, all knowing, and much, much, much smarter than us. The creation of the universe was not a simple event. It was complicated. When you, as an adult, are trying to explain a complicated point to a toddler, you use metaphors to make it easier. Sometimes, we use metaphors to shield them from things we think they are too young to understand-- For example, saying that babies are delivered to the parents' door by a stork. Or discussing "the birds and the bees."
In other words, it's completely sound-- and humble-- to interpret the Bible metaphorically.
There is definately a comfilct between Christanity and Science and the problem with Science is that it HAS to know everything... it can't let ANYTHING go unexplained and it takes the mystery and fun out of life!
Also... i don't believe that God did create science...
i beilieve that God put us here and that he lives within us, but it says in the Bible that God gave us dominion over the Earth and therefore also giving us free will... i think that we created science out of a thirst for knowledge.
I may have misunderstood you Cinders, on your earlier comment-I only think there are conflicts because some think it has to be science OR God and can't be both. I don't know if you thought I meant I conflict it-I picked yes because I know others are conflicted-I'm not conflicted because of the reasons I'd said yesterday.
Well, I don't quite know if this question was asked right. There is a gigantic difference between science and evolution (not science and Christianity). First off, evolution is a religion. Science is fact; it is discoveries that we make about how the world functions. However, evolutionists have a lot of theories that they "think" are scientific, but don't align with the Bible. Further, any evolutionary theory I've heard, I've been able to counter-argue to find that almost all of their reasoning is specifically the opposite of what the Bible tells us. This, I believe, proves that for some reason, they're bitter toward God's word. So, evolution, like creation, must be accepted by faith. How much better to put my faith in God! :)
Um... what? There's no "religion" of evolution. There are people who believe the theory, but it's not a religion. Also, I'm curious as to what you understand the evolutionary theory to be. Could you explain it to me, as you understand it, in your own words?
I do not think there is conflict between Christianity and Science. Watch The Creation Series, by Kent Hovind. God created all things, every Christian knows that. -_- Okay, is it not reasonable to to say something is not Science unless it is factual? The biggest reference used in the Science vs. God campaign is evolution. Evolution is a belief. One I personally find to be full of holes, to the point that I do not even know how it is held together for sure. There is plenty of scientific proof that God exists, and made all things. There is NOTHING that proves he doesn't. If you are an Evolutionist, I strongly recommend you watch the Kent Hovind videos. Not trying to convert you, it will just save a lot of time. In a couple of hours many, if not all of your questions will be answered. Or if you have a specific question, feel free to send it to me in a message. :) I will answer it to the best of my current ability.
Hitler believed in evolution like the Ku Klux Klan believed in Christianity, or extremist terrorists believe in Islam. To say that evolution is a bad concept based on misinterpretations and criminals who use it to justify their crimes, is like saying Christianity or Islam is a bad concept based on racists and terrorists.
@ MissKnowItAll
The conflicts created are arbitrary, and manifested between individuals. There are no conflicts between science and religion themselves. The conflicts are between scientists and the religious.
I think it depends-- both on your interpretation of the Bible and how the word 'conflict' is being used. If you interpret the Bible literally, then there are conflicts in theories with religion and science. But it's rather superficial, as Cinders said. Science and religion can coexist, and often are used to explain the other. I think my answer to this question is 'No', but I need to think about it more.
It fits perfectly in "teh bible" and I'd be glad to explain exactly how.
Disclaimer: I am taking a metaphorical interpretation of the Bible, one that is no less valid than anyone else's. But metaphor has always made the most sense to me, when interpreting the Bible. After all, when we explain complex ideas to children, don't we use metaphors to make things clearer? Compared to God, we have the minds of earthworms, so I imagine the best way he could explain things to us is in a similar manner.
Now, let's begin with Genesis, and the creation of Earth and all life on it, culminating in the creation of first man, then woman (or man and woman at the same time, depending on whether you're reading about Adam and Lilith or Adam and Eve).
When God made Creation, he did so in seven days. Keep in mind, however, that he did all this before the creation of a "day." IE, he made the stars and planets, then earth, and subsequently the day. Ergo, it's not illogical to conclude that the "day" is a metaphorical measurement. A "day" in God time could be anywhere from the literal twenty-four hours to the more metaphorical million or billion years. When we think in the latter time frame, things begin to make a lot more sense. It takes a long time for planets to form, bubble, and cool enough to support life. A "day" in God time, perhaps, but much longer from the human perspective. The plants and animals he was creating on the next day, and perhaps guiding, could easily have evolved in such a time frame as well. Lastly, God created man and woman, potentially using evolution as a tool, if you like, to create this masterpiece of his.
Now let's get into the actual science. DNA research can trace the mitochondrial DNA of everyone on this planet through the matriarchal lineage (all the mitochondria in your body you get from your mother) to a small group of primitive women, and hypothetically to one woman named Mitochondrial Eve. She has a similar counterpart who can be traced through the male Y chromosome to a small group of men, hypothetically one man, Y Chromosomal Adam.
Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosomal Adam may or may not be the first human beings on Earth. It's possible that they are simply the only ones that were able to pass on their genetics through the millennia. Nevertheless, the discovery is quite interesting, as they most certainly belonged to one of the first tribes of Homo sapiens for which the Biblical Adam and Eve could be a metaphor.
In summation (because I know you hate reading)
1) A "day" in God time could be hundreds, millions, even billions of years in time from our perspective. For all we know, it's only Wednesday in God's second week on the job (the first week having been spent creating the universe and all).
2) In that time, several wonderful and miraculous things can occur, such as the birth and death of stars, the coalescing of planets, and the evolution of life. Guided - of course - by God.
3) Science proves that everyone on Earth does spring from a remarkably small group of men and women, and potentially one man and one woman, suggesting that there is, perhaps, room for both legitimate, empirical science and religion.
So there you have it. How evolution and the Bible can be reconciled and fit snugly together like codependent parasites. ;) Why did I choose that particular simile, you ask? Well, I'm not sure, but I assure you - there are stranger ones to be found in the Holy Bible.
Would you elaborate on that? What exactly is it that you think conflicts? Perhaps we might help you keep your faith and your spirit of scientific inquiry at the same time. :) (says the agnostic)
I think the so-called feud between science and religion is not only infantile, but pointless. There is no reason why they can't coexist. Science does nothing to disprove the existence of God, or God's law, and religious beliefs do not contradict scientific law. They're apples and oranges.
JustinBeiber160-- "like how we all got here some say it was god... others say it was science." This is exactly the kind of superficial semantics I was talking about.
As robothor1111 pointed out, God created science. Logically, if God created science, and "some" say that science created the universe, then transitive reasoning allows us to conclude that God created the universe.
It's true that there are quarrels over the exact way, which get's superficial when each side (both the scientist and the theologian) insists that everything must be literal. However, in my opinion, there is a lot of space for scientific theory in the book of Genesis. Recall that God is all powerful, all knowing, and much, much, much smarter than us. The creation of the universe was not a simple event. It was complicated. When you, as an adult, are trying to explain a complicated point to a toddler, you use metaphors to make it easier. Sometimes, we use metaphors to shield them from things we think they are too young to understand-- For example, saying that babies are delivered to the parents' door by a stork. Or discussing "the birds and the bees."
In other words, it's completely sound-- and humble-- to interpret the Bible metaphorically.
Also... i don't believe that God did create science...
i beilieve that God put us here and that he lives within us, but it says in the Bible that God gave us dominion over the Earth and therefore also giving us free will... i think that we created science out of a thirst for knowledge.
God made the rules of the universe. Science simply studies those rules.
Um... what? There's no "religion" of evolution. There are people who believe the theory, but it's not a religion. Also, I'm curious as to what you understand the evolutionary theory to be. Could you explain it to me, as you understand it, in your own words?
Hitler believed in evolution like the Ku Klux Klan believed in Christianity, or extremist terrorists believe in Islam. To say that evolution is a bad concept based on misinterpretations and criminals who use it to justify their crimes, is like saying Christianity or Islam is a bad concept based on racists and terrorists.
@ MissKnowItAll
The conflicts created are arbitrary, and manifested between individuals. There are no conflicts between science and religion themselves. The conflicts are between scientists and the religious.
Disclaimer: I am taking a metaphorical interpretation of the Bible, one that is no less valid than anyone else's. But metaphor has always made the most sense to me, when interpreting the Bible. After all, when we explain complex ideas to children, don't we use metaphors to make things clearer? Compared to God, we have the minds of earthworms, so I imagine the best way he could explain things to us is in a similar manner.
Now, let's begin with Genesis, and the creation of Earth and all life on it, culminating in the creation of first man, then woman (or man and woman at the same time, depending on whether you're reading about Adam and Lilith or Adam and Eve).
When God made Creation, he did so in seven days. Keep in mind, however, that he did all this before the creation of a "day." IE, he made the stars and planets, then earth, and subsequently the day. Ergo, it's not illogical to conclude that the "day" is a metaphorical measurement. A "day" in God time could be anywhere from the literal twenty-four hours to the more metaphorical million or billion years. When we think in the latter time frame, things begin to make a lot more sense. It takes a long time for planets to form, bubble, and cool enough to support life. A "day" in God time, perhaps, but much longer from the human perspective. The plants and animals he was creating on the next day, and perhaps guiding, could easily have evolved in such a time frame as well. Lastly, God created man and woman, potentially using evolution as a tool, if you like, to create this masterpiece of his.
Now let's get into the actual science. DNA research can trace the mitochondrial DNA of everyone on this planet through the matriarchal lineage (all the mitochondria in your body you get from your mother) to a small group of primitive women, and hypothetically to one woman named Mitochondrial Eve. She has a similar counterpart who can be traced through the male Y chromosome to a small group of men, hypothetically one man, Y Chromosomal Adam.
Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosomal Adam may or may not be the first human beings on Earth. It's possible that they are simply the only ones that were able to pass on their genetics through the millennia. Nevertheless, the discovery is quite interesting, as they most certainly belonged to one of the first tribes of Homo sapiens for which the Biblical Adam and Eve could be a metaphor.
In summation (because I know you hate reading)
1) A "day" in God time could be hundreds, millions, even billions of years in time from our perspective. For all we know, it's only Wednesday in God's second week on the job (the first week having been spent creating the universe and all).
2) In that time, several wonderful and miraculous things can occur, such as the birth and death of stars, the coalescing of planets, and the evolution of life. Guided - of course - by God.
3) Science proves that everyone on Earth does spring from a remarkably small group of men and women, and potentially one man and one woman, suggesting that there is, perhaps, room for both legitimate, empirical science and religion.
So there you have it. How evolution and the Bible can be reconciled and fit snugly together like codependent parasites. ;) Why did I choose that particular simile, you ask? Well, I'm not sure, but I assure you - there are stranger ones to be found in the Holy Bible.
Have a nice day, now!
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